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Hello!


What to do if the opening on a newly installed headset is too wide to be able to tighten and fit it well onto the steering column?
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Where was the headset made? Is it new original, used original, or new reproduction?
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New reproduction. I think there are no new original headsets available any more.


But anyways it ascended to the Vespa heaven at 40Nm.


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wow. what a bummer. I was literally just about to warn you about over tightening it. I have one that's broken just the same.

it's NOS, so I just can't bring myself to throw it out.
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That's a total bummer. You might try looking for a used original one. New stuff just isn't what it's cracked up to be (pardon the tasteless pun).
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Would a shim material have worked wrapped around post and say epoxied to headset side. Then maybe a gentle squeeze and let it setup?
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greasy125 wrote:
wow. what a bummer. I was literally just about to warn you about over tightening it. I have one that's broken just the same.

it's NOS, so I just can't bring myself to throw it out.
First it was my carb and now this, your spidey senses to warn are weak these days…

I kid, I kid. You're just a bit too slow
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Low temp alloy solder repair?
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Wow, someone would really try to repair that?
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It was just a waste of paint.
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nomadinsiam wrote:
Wow, someone would really try to repair that?
I'm sure it's been done.

to do it right, unless it was some ridiculously rare piece the economics of a safe repair would swiftly outstrip any savings over sourcing another piece.
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Sent it to Indo, they will fux it reet arp
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Update on the Headset Saga:


I was able to get a replacement, a used original headset with 3C code written in it. There's a mysterious cutout at the shifter side of the speedo pit.


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Closeup at the 3C code


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I cut off the century-old handgrip and removed some mummified hockey tape.


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The mysterious cutout in closeup


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I imagine that it fits correctly. That clamp is designed to just barely close and bind up an already snug fit. There is no flex in cast alloy.
I am curious as to what the 3C code signifies. No clue on the cut-out but it sort of looks factory in the picture.
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What's the torque setting for the retaining bolt actually? I don't want to overtighten it later.
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I don't have the spacific torque but I snug it up to where the headset binds to the column and it doesn't turn with the wheel held from moving, and then just a bit more to set it. There really isn't a whole lot of force on it and if it moves, just give it a bit more. There should be a flat washer and a spring washer under it. Lock washers should not be put against alloy.
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The funny thing is that when I looked around the web for pics I found that many of these headsets have the strange cutout but not all.
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Kiwi VBC (& 1984 Japanese Smallies) have inserts in the bars for fitting bar-end indicators
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Mysterious cut out: Where the return spring goes?
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I was having the same loose issue with my repro headset. I fixed it using some HVAC stainless tape. Just thin enough to get the headset back on. Perfect. Too late for you sorry but maybe helpful for someone
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