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First delivery of the day, Coming into a right turn, the steering felt heavy. 8 lb. of pressure wow!
No foreign objects. Soap test revealed what's in the pic. Tire date 30/17. I bought it 4 years ago and it's lived outside since then. About 16,000 miles on it. I wanted it to last about 2,000 more when I replace the rear. Most of us high milers change 2 rears per 1 front.
I can't complain about the extra life of the rear tire but I like to get both tire's replaced at the same time. I find it very impressive how much longer life I get with an S speed rated tire compared to P.
My last rear lasted only 8,000 miles. It was P rated. this tire is S rated and it has 8,000 miles and has probably 3,000 more. The extra price is worth fewer tire changes.
Now I need to decide what to do about it.
Maybe Ride on?
Maybe Ride on?
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Now I need to decide what to do about it.
[/quote]I'd replace it,
mount and balance cost and inconvenience,
you already got good miles out of it,
we are rolling on 2 wheeled eggshells amongst stressed out crazy people driving 2 ton missiles
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If that's a Pirelli Angel tire I bet you got one of the injection nubs caught along the edge during install. I had a injection nub get caught during install and no matter what the shop did they couldn't get the bead to hold air. The tire had a nub dent in it, loosing air along that area. I was like "Just use a dab of Shoe Goo." but they refused to rig it. So the shop claimed the tire under warranty and got a replacement tire from Pirelli.

Sometimes Honda rims will get a bit of corrosion along the inside of the rim lip. The Helix is famous for this. I always gently sand the inner lip before installing a new tire. Loosing air is dangerous because it will start slow and eventually get worse. Let us know what solution you use to fix that issue.
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Oh, and I'm dumb. Just realized it was a old tire. Still, my above comment applies to some extent.
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We had a cold snap here and I checked the tire Monday. Cold snap Wed. and Thur. So I'm thinking 40 in the morning and 80 in the afternoon can make some large expansion/contraction. I'm thinking the bead cracked.
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mount and balance cost and inconvenience,
The cost of the sealant might not be worth the 2,000 miles. I DIY and tires are the most inconvenient job for me.
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There may indeed have been something wrong with the bead from new. But I noticed you said you keep it outside. I also noticed that you are in Florida, which gets about as much sun as Arizona, where I am. UV light from the sun will destroy tires fairly quickly. I bought my GT200 when it was 10 years old, with 1800 miles on it, and the tires were still like new. From its overall condition, it had obviously been kept inside, out of direct sunlight. I went ahead and wore out those 10 year old tires without any problems. But I have seen 2 year old tires that were starting to crack due to being left outside in the sun. If you have no choice but to keep the scooter outside, you can expect the tires, along with the rest of the scooter, to deteriorate much faster than if you kept it inside. As for that tire, I'd go ahead and replace it. I've had to replace car tires that had plenty of tread left, but had deteriorated due to having been left outside.

Ride-On is some good stuff. But it will not seal a leak around the bead, or on the sidewall. It only works for punctures in the tread area.
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I use Ride On in all my PTW tires.
That said, as above, it won't help your current situation.
Whether it's rubber damage from cracking or "rot", or corrosion of the wheel's bead surface, when you put a new tire on I'd suggest an application of bead sealant to the wheel's bead surface.

Also, Bead Don is good stuff for getting tires on. As Greasy says, lubrication, angle of attack, ... and something else I forget.... Makes the tire go on the rim easier, I'll say that's for sure!

Using both may well be overkill, but that's the way I roll.

Bead sealant:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GKD722/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Bead Don lubricant:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0859NX2Y5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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The rubber looks fine, but having to constantly check air pressure/refill w air would drive me nuts.
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While the sidewall looks fine, there looks to be some minor tearing on the tread, which could be caused by improper inflation or suspension issues. Either underdamping or overdamping can cause wear like that, but it's usually underdamping caused by worn shocks.

At 16,000 miles I would definitely replace it. I replace the rear tire on my GT20O around 6,000 miles, and the front around 12,000 miles. I do weigh 240, and carry a lot of stuff around with me. They may not be completely down to the wear bars, but since I tend to ride 200-300 miles from home quite often, at near top speed, I want my tires to be in good condition.
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Also, Bead Don is good stuff for getting tires on.
I'll try this stuff. I've been using rubber conditioner as lube. If I'm going to break the bead, I might as well go all the way and swap it out.
Time to shop for another backup tire, never know when you need a new tire. Hope I can find one. Last time everyone was out. That's why I bought 3 rear and 2 front. Higher price and speed rating but available.
Are U.S. Vespa riders having a shortage of City Grips?
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Are U.S. Vespa riders having a shortage of City Grips?
Last Fall I ordered I think 6 tires from SIP due to lack of supply in US.
I don't know about the current situation.
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Are U.S. Vespa riders having a shortage of City Grips?
I'm not sure what your tire size is, but I usually check ScooterWest and Revzilla to see if they have my preferred in stock. I order from my local shop if possible, but checking those two gives me a rough idea of availability.
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I'm not sure what your tire size is, but I usually check ScooterWest and Revzilla to see if they have my preferred in stock. I order from my local shop if possible, but checking those two gives me a rough idea of availability.
I show Honda's in my avatar. Hence the question for the Vespa owners.
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A tip if you're looking for a rear City Grip 2, make sure you check tires listed as front/rear. If you just search rear tires you'll likely find that your size is not available. But it is available if you search front/rear. Those tires can be put on the front or the rear.
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I show Honda's in my avatar. Hence the question for the Vespa owners.
The sizes I used for my GTS are currently showing as in stock, but I don't know if the sizes differ any for your bikes. Between trying to get a specific jacket and my last tire set, I discovered that Revzilla has their own set of warehouses and inventory, different from what my local shop's distributors use.
If my dealership isn't able to get a certain tire size, those two websites are where I look.
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My fault. I only want to know if Vespa riders are experiencing a shortage, not purchasing lessons.
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My fault. I only want to know if Vespa riders are experiencing a shortage, not purchasing lessons.
O...kay. No lessons were trying to be given. :backs away:
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Thanks for the hint about looking for City Grips. I haven't been able to track any down except on amazon.
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Thanks for the hint about looking for City Grips. I haven't been able to track any down except on amazon.
"City grip 2" is the new version - loads of them about. Look for 'Front/Rear', not just 'front' or 'rear'.
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I'm a total newbie (took the safety course and had 1 weekend to ride before the weather) and just reached out to a shop to give my 2007 GTV 250 a "once-over" and replace the tires. I assume the local shop will have a distributor to get the tires. Or is it better to track down the tires and have them mount and install? I checked Revzilla and CycleGear and both were sold out of my size. I'll try looking again in case I clicked something incorrectly.

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Tire Size: 130/70-12 62S Reinforced

So, I went back and selected front/rear and found them. What does "reinforced"mean? I noticed that some were and some weren't?

Also, what does the 62S mean?
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...just reached out to a shop to give my 2007 GTV 250 a "once-over" and replace the tires. I assume the local shop will have a distributor to get the tires. Or is it better to track down the tires and have them mount and install? I checked Revzilla and CycleGear and both were sold out of my size.
It's great to support your local shop by buying from there. Sure, it's not always as cheap as online, but it helps them to stay around and that's a good thing for you as well.
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Thanks...that makes sense...load index and speed index.

Not planning on riding my scooter 180 kph (110 mph) so I should be fine.

Will definitely hit my local shop next week.
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Oh, and I'm dumb. Just realized it was a old tire. Still, my above comment applies to some extent.
I've never seen any tire with a mold vent "tit"on a bead rim area-no matter what type of tire. They are placed where the rubber needs to vent on sidewalls and tread only.
FWIW, I worked many years in a tire plant and seen a few tires on PTW's as well. Thats not to say that a loose piece of whatever or a dryish bead rim surface doesn't need some tire lube to seal well. Thats the common issue on bead rim areas. I always spray mine with magic juice before mounting.
If all the tires made in 2017 came off the road there would be a momentary tires shortage? My 2018 GTS probably has several...
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I've never seen any tire with a mold vent "tit"on a bead rim area-no matter what type of tire. They are placed where the rubber needs to vent on sidewalls and tread only.
FWIW, I worked many years in a tire plant and seen a few tires on PTW's as well. Thats not to say that a loose piece of whatever or a dryish bead rim surface doesn't need some tire lube to seal well. Thats the common issue on bead rim areas. I always spray mine with magic juice before mounting.
If all the tires made in 2017 came off the road there would be a momentary tires shortage? My 2018 GTS probably has several...
I've just replaced the 4.80 12 tires on my trailer. They had mold vent 'tits' all around the very outer edge of the bead. These would have bent back on tire installation and possibly created air gaps. I cut them all off flush before mounting the tires.
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I'll give you that one. Those are typically skived off during mfg'ing -never say never huh?
But the normal no seal a bead issue isn't a vent tit, it's needing a softer more resilient seal surface in the area where the beads sort of hard and can be vacant of sealing rubber which is very thin in that area by design.
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