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I rest my left forearm on the left hand grip while waiting for the green. I don't have to think about countering acceleration. After the G force tapers off, I return my hand to grip.

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I am a bit puzzled.
Why do you rest your left forearm on the hand grip?
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I am a bit puzzled.
Why do you rest your left forearm on the hand grip?
Countering acceleration is when you twist the throttle and you have to think about your body falling backwards and push forward.

You didn't notice how small the cars were getting in the rear view?
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I don't understand this at all
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You'd fail your practical test in the UK.

Better surely is to use a tad of rear brake (DIY ASR) to start with, and have full control as both hands are on the grips...
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Countering acceleration is when you twist the throttle and you have to think about your body falling backwards and push forward.

You didn't notice how small the cars were getting in the rear view?
Sure do.
One of the strong points of the BV.
But still not clear to me why you do you rest your left forearm on the hand grip?
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Sure do.
One of the strong points of the BV.
But still not clear to me why you do you rest your left forearm on the hand grip?
He probably does not know himself…
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Maybe he's referring to the lack of a clutch lever as he said, "I just twist and go."? The lack of handguards makes it easy to rest your wrist for a temporary position change, which I've done at a stop.
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The safest thing at a stop for any PTW is to engage the rear brake. For reasons of stability, better take off with the most of control as jimc mentions and habit forming (you really don't want to get hit from behind with no brake or just the front brake engaged.)
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The safest thing at a stop for any PTW is to engage the rear brake. For reasons of stability, better take off with the most of control as jimc mentions and habit forming (you really don't want to get hit from behind with no brake or just the front brake engaged.)
I hold the rear brake at lights, but when at a stop in a parking lot or similar, I will rest one side or the other.
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I hold the rear brake at lights, but when at a stop in a parking lot or similar, I will rest one side or the other.
Yes same here, sometimes I might even let go of the handlebars in such a situation, it's a scooter after all! 😁 That is of course very different from stopping in traffic.
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I live in Florida, not too many hills and I can flat foot. I've never used the brake to enhance acceleration. I just twist and go. I didn't know being able to sit at a light without using brakes was such a big deal.
What a can of worms this turned into.
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He probably does not know himself…
Was this necessary?
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Maybe he's referring to the lack of a clutch lever as he said, "I just twist and go."? The lack of handguards makes it easy to rest your wrist for a temporary position change, which I've done at a stop.
I could sure use some lessons on how to explain things. How did you understand me?
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I don't understand this at all
Agreed. I watched the video, but I'm not sure what I saw.

I think OP believes that if you have hand guards you can't rest your wrists on the grips, if, for whatever reason, that's what you wanted to do...

but that's really not the case at all... hand guards don't interfere whatsoever.

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I didn't know being able to sit at a light without using brakes was such a big deal.
It's not, if you're certain you won't be rear-ended. Which is easy enough in lane-splitting-legal land.

Not in Florida though!
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It's not, if you're certain you won't be rear-ended. Which is easy enough in lane-splitting-legal land.

Not in Florida though!
When I come to a stop I make sure I'm not directly behind the vehicle in front of me. Then I check my rear view to make sure the vehicle is stopping so I can escape. Every time! I white line for visibility in vehicles side view mirrors.
I'll take that over being directly behind a vehicle holding my brakes.
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With my forearm on the grip I'm leaning forward to counteract acceleration G force.
Did this need to be in my first post?
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One last thing. I hope this doesn't confuse everyone. When I'm in this position, I have the mindset that others don't know I'm going to wring out the throttle when the light turns green.
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I've read all of this and I still don't entirely understand the point here.

this is what it decodes to me:

at a stop, your "resting pose" is to lean forward and rest your forearm on the grip. a result from resting in this position is that when you accelerate from a stop you are in a position that counteracts acceleration and you don't have to actively reposition your body in order to correct it.

you believe that having hand guards would preclude you from this behavior.

my take away is that you ride away from a stop one handed and hunched over using your forearm to somewhat or loosely steady the handlebars.
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my take away is that you ride away from a stop one handed and hunched over using your forearm to somewhat or loosely steady the handlebars.
... which apparently cannot be done with hand guards on ...

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I've read all of this and I still don't entirely understand the point here.

this is what it decodes to me:

at a stop, your "resting pose" is to lean forward and rest your forearm on the grip. a result from resting in this position is that when you accelerate from a stop you are in a position that counteracts acceleration and you don't have to actively reposition your body in order to correct it.

you believe that having hand guards would preclude you from this behavior.

my take away is that you ride away from a stop one handed and hunched over using your forearm to somewhat or loosely steady the handlebars.
Thank you. I'm more using the forearm at rest to hold body weight. To me it's like shifting your weight for comfort, sometimes I don't want to sit up straight.
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but that's really not the case at all... hand guards don't interfere whatsoever.
In the video I said that's why I don't have hand guards on my windshield.
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So here's what I understand:

If the forces are so great that you can only bear them in a bent-over position, then maybe it's better to have BOTH hands on the handlebars. To be able to control a bike safely at any time, a certain body tension is necessary (not to be confused with a cramped posture...).

Ever thought about what happens if someone from the cross street still wants to cross quickly at "dark yellow", while you are lolling in the middle of the intersection over the handlebars: he nibbles you away without mercy... No chance to react…

At the latest to drive off: Hands on the handlebars.
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Anyone that mocks this thread that has a ram mount on their bike, Should just walk away.
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In the video I said that's why I don't have hand guards on my windshield.
ahh... see, I hear "hand guards" and I think moto/off road. not windscreen.
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Anyone that mocks this thread that has a ram mount on their bike, Should just walk away.
the button is there for you too, amigo.
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... which apparently cannot be done with hand guards on ...

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he meant "windscreen that covers the grips" not the typical Moto nomenclature that you and I (and the majority of the two wheeling free world) would conjure.
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Thank you. I'm more using the forearm at rest to hold body weight. To me it's like shifting your weight for comfort, sometimes I don't want to sit up straight.
I use my butt to hold body weight - but whatever...
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I don't want anything in front of my grips either. I also don't like windshields. A windshield that is tall enough to actually block the wind is going to be to tall to see over, and one that you can see over is going to cause extreme helmet buffeting. I do have a really short "windshield" on my Vespa GT200, but it is too short to actually be called a "wind shield". More for looks than anything else. And I also have a RAM mount on the left mirror for a GPS unit on the same scooter. But it does not get in the way.

When I am waiting on a light on a scooter or motorcycle, I keep both hands on the grips and both feet on the ground. When the light changes, I lift my feet off the ground and twist the throttle. How far depends on what I'm riding and what, if anything, is in front of me. On a manual transmission bike, and I do have a manual transmission scooter, I do exactly the same, with the bike in gear, and my left hand holding the clutch lever in. When the light changes, I lift my feet off the ground, let the clutch out, and twist the throttle, all at the same time.
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What a strange thread, I'm surprised the OP has a scooter that creates such high G forces that it warrants him leaning forwards so much.
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In the video I said that's why I don't have hand guards on my windshield.
Hand guards don't mount to your windshield.

I think you mean a windshield that offers protection for your hands. Those aren't hand guards. Those are just windshields.

Do you actually hate hand guards, or do you just not know what they are?
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I've read all of this and I still don't entirely understand the point here.

this is what it decodes to me:

at a stop, your "resting pose" is to lean forward and rest your forearm on the grip. a result from resting in this position is that when you accelerate from a stop you are in a position that counteracts acceleration and you don't have to actively reposition your body in order to correct it.

you believe that having hand guards would preclude you from this behavior.

my take away is that you ride away from a stop one handed and hunched over using your forearm to somewhat or loosely steady the handlebars.
When you put it that way it almost sounds silly…
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he meant "windscreen that covers the grips" not the typical Moto nomenclature that you and I (and the majority of the two wheeling free world) would conjure.
This whole thread is like some kind of weird april fools prank gone wrong, or a 5 star troll move.

Stay tuned for my upcoming thread "I don't like riding pants"
it'll actually be about riding boots that cover my ankles, but I'll confuse the shit out of everyone by calling them something completely different.
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I had that windshield, or one very similar. I can understand the original point to some degree. I chose it because I ride year-round and it gets cold up in these mountains. Personally, I much prefer my windscreen and hand guards to be separate items, but I don't know of any hand guards in production that fit these scooters without access to the bare bars.

I don't lean on my grips, but I don't wear Toreador Pants either...ride and let ride. I -HAVE- been known to prop my feet up on the grips and lie down on the seat for the occasional cat nap on long rides.
(...Err...in a parking lot or something, not while in motion. )
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Interesting read.

When I come upon a sudden slow down or completely stopped
traffic on the roadway, I turn on my emergency flashers. I do
the same in my car. It causes the trailing car to really slow down
fast. I turn on the flashers even before the stop.

Getting rear ended certainly can be deadly. I like the posters
technique of parking off center of the car in front to provide an
escape route if the car behind does not seem to be able to stop - or
not paying attention.

Windscreen topic. If on an extended ride, without a windscreen,
my body acts like a sail and my arms get tired. Amazing difference
with my medium Vespa windscreen. Plus, no big bugs in the face or
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What a strange thread, I'm surprised the OP has a scooter that creates such high G forces that it warrants him leaning forwards so much.
With Dr Pulley sliders and a 'Fuzzy' washer, my GTS300 nearly does wheelies. Holding on to the grips is essential..
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Correct it for you.
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Correct it for you.



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Ok but *looks down* HOW DID YOU KNOW?!?!
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I think he means these, not barkbusters,
Windscreen wings to protect the hands from debris or whathaveyou.
Windscreen wings to protect the hands from debris or whathaveyou.
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