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They are good machines - built for cruising, eating up the miles and decent enough around town, There are better in town scoots, of course and in tight situations, they handle like a barge. But there is no denying the comfort and reliability of them.
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I spent about 10 days on one last year with no issues. All it needed was an oil and filter change and it was good to go.

This one seems fine. It's a 2019, Twin disc ,7000 miles with 1 Owner, FSH with some warranty work to be done and a glove box to be replaced.

It needs tyres ( £200 ) and the paint really needs a good cut as it's been run with a leg cover which has tainted the finish a bit.

It's ugly and boring but then again, so am I.
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Burgman 400 - this is probably a very personal problem, as I'm a shorty, but I found the ergonomic a bit challenging when I took a quick spin with the latest 400.

When I got a natural reach to the bars, my feet seemed to always be in a funny angle, no matter whether I tried a 'feed forward' style or bent the knees.

Otherwise I oddly liked the rugged, a bit plastique appearance of the thing. Didn't ride enough to form an opinion on how it behaves.
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Isn't the 400 Burgman something like 30-34 hp?

I rode one once from the Suzuki display some years ago during the Sturgis rally, but don't remember any details other than it was a positive experience, and it seemed to make pretty decent power.

Our Burgman 650's (four of them), were rated at 54 hp (crank).
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I've got a 150 LX and V Star 950.
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I've got a 150 LX and V Star 950.
Or several of each.

As you say, life is short.
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Or several of each.

As you say, life is short.
I am considering a brand new motorcycles.
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This thread made me think about the origin of motorcycles.

I thought something rang a bell and so it did

Hildebrand & Wolfmuller made the first 'production' motorcycle 1894-1897, in Germany.

The design: step-through, 'direct' (kind of) transmission with the help of some pieces of rubber ...yet, 1489cc four-stroke twin engine, nice 'beach bars' and what not.

Commandments aside, I'll guess that two-wheeler Darwinism would tell us that our origin of species was pretty much pawing the way for both scooters and 'conventional' motorcycles.
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There are several motorcycles that I can buy which would give me the power and ride on the many interstate highways near and far from me. Any of these motorcycles would be considerably cheaper then a new 278cc model. I will have a Vespa til I can not ride any longer and maybe even past that point. If and when Vespa produces a model that has larger wheels (smoother ride) and somewhere near 30 hp I will then be willing to pay for new, until then I will be riding what was once another's new Vespa. I know what I have and know what I desire.
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BV350 ?
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BV350 ?
If you can put that in and on a vespa frame, yes, otherwise NO!
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I don't know what your needs are but don't let yourself be sucked into the Bigger is best trap. Many of the 300 to 400cc models are fast enough and won't be a pain to move around the yard. A Kawasaki z400 makes more real horsepower than a 1960s Triumph Bonneville and tops 100 mph easily.
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I don't know what your needs are but don't let yourself be sucked into the Bigger is best trap. Many of the 300 to 400cc models are fast enough and won't be a pain to move around the yard. A Kawasaki z400 makes more real horsepower than a 1960s Triumph Bonneville and tops 100 mph easily.
Agreed, thanks.
300-350 range. RE Meteor?
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300-350 range. RE Meteor?
The best source of wisdom: a fellow that has never ridden a Meteor

I'm in general interested in both classic bikes and new retro bikes, so of course I've noticed the Meteor too.

This is a really good, objective vid comparing 350 Meteor with Honda Rebel. For many things, you could swap Honda here with any 'modern' small motorcycle and get the same main differences.

I'd probably myself find Meteor nice for lazy, slow country rides and other relaxed recreational rides.

The power, torque and weight combo, 20.2hp, 27Nm (at low revs, which is probably good in this case), 191kg hints towards very modest performance in real life.

My late Suzuki VanVan200 had 16hp, 15Nm, 128kg - it was a joy to handle with this weight, but ran out of steam easily and thus was a bit of pain to ride among trafic when I had to do that. I got it for forest path riding and there it excelled

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BMW G 310 GS ? Honda CB 300 R/F ?
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BMW G 310 GS ? Honda CB 300 R/F ?
I recently rode a BMW 310 GS, and had hoped that it would appeal to me, which it did visually, and I liked that it felt like an 'adult-sized' bike in a relatively light weight package.

However! I was less than impressed with it's engine, which became a vibrating little piece of unpleasantness at 60-65 mph, and I would not care to ride it for any real distance out on a highway.

It's hp and performance, I think at about 34? was 'better' than the relatively sluggish 20 hp Royal Enfield 350 I recently owned (if that is even possible), but neither motorcycle compared favorably with the overall performance my '20 GTS 300, which accelerates quicker than either, holds road speed better, and at least in the case of the BMW 310, is simply a quantum leap ahead in smoothness of operation throughout it's rev range.

If I was to buy a smaller displacement motorcycle to compliment my GTS, and offer a substantial increase in road performance over the scooter, I'd almost certainly opt for a Z series Kawasaki 400, either the standard model, or perhaps the littlest Ninja version. I rode one about a month ago, and was impressed by it's performance and outstanding value for the dollar. Smooth running, light weight, twice the hp of my GTS, and excellent road manners.

I can't help but consider it the best in that displacement category.

I may have one myself before too long.
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I've ridden my GTS on our local Interstate highways only for relatively short distances, out of necessity, but don't normally ride on them with the Vespa.

For what it's worth, it's my opinion that a Vespa GTS is completely out of it's element when being hammered down a 70-80 mph interstate highway, though it might be pressed into doing so, and be marginally adequate at it, it's just not a comfortable thing to use it for.

I think the farthest I've ridden on I-90 in South Dakota is probably fifteen or twenty miles, and even then, I don't ride it at WOT unless dealing with an upgrade or headwind, where winding the throttle to the stop is necessary just to maintain a reasonably safe speed so as to not get run over by overtaking traffic.

I-90 near my area is a 75 mph four-lane interstate highway with traffic often moving at 80 mph. I will try to get my GTS to at least indicate 70-75 mph for my occasional short sprints on that road, but I know that my actual speed is more like 65-70 mph, so I pay very close attention to what's coming up behind me and respond accordingly if I think it's necessary.

The 'open road riding' I do on my GTS is almost exclusively done on paved secondary roadways with speed limits generally set from 55-65 mph, and unless pulling upgrades or dealing with headwinds is never done at WOT.

It seems that 65-70 mph on the speedometer (not the actual speed) is kind of a sweet spot where the bike's motor just hums happily along, with a small but comfortable reserve of power if needed.

I've never ridden my GTS with a passenger on board, so don't have an opinion or advice on that, but that's ok because I don't really care to ride it any other way than solo.

Others may feel differently, of course, but I don't have any desire to run my Vespa any distance at WOT. I have several much more powerful conventional motorcycles for faster highway trips if I feel that my Vespa would be strained on a long run.

When I rode it for two days last September and covered 840 miles, I did it at what would have been an actual 60-65 mph, with perhaps some miles covered at 70, but I was almost never running the bike at WOT if on a more or less level highway. I took my time, enjoyed the road and the view. The Vespa was happy, and so was I.
Thanks JB and all who weighed in on this.

Not really looking to tour or go on long ride-a-bouts just need about 60 miles of mostly wide open throttle to get to Vespa motorsports and about 50-100 mile radius for used motorbike acquisition(s)

From what I understand similar to 2 strokes,
with these little motored 4 cylinder Vespas, a varied throttle helps keep the engine cooler by better oil circulation.
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From what I understand similar to 2 strokes,
with these little motored 4 cylinder Vespas, a varied throttle helps keep the engine cooler by better oil circulation.
I don't know anything about that, but I'm sure someone here with more (probably much more) Vespa experience than I do will have some thoughts on it.
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Agreed, thanks.
300-350 range. RE Meteor?
From what I've read the whole 350 RE line are great around town bikes, like a scooter. I was thinking more along the lines of a Honda CB300 or Rebel, Kawasaki Versys 300, z400 or even a Suzuki GSX 250. If your needs are strictly around Town or short rides on a Freeway the RE would be fine. My old Honda 250 Nighthawk has braved the Interstates with no problem as did a pair of older Honda Rebel 250s.
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It's ugly and boring but then again, so am I.
Don't be so hard on yourself my brother in German bikes!

You're just ugly
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I recently rode a BMW 310 GS, and had hoped that it would appeal to me, which it did visually, and I liked that it felt like an 'adult-sized' bike in a relatively light weight package.

However! I was less than impressed with it's engine, which became a vibrating little piece of unpleasantness at 60-65 mph, and I would not care to ride it for any real distance out on a highway.
Big GS fan. I have two. I would never recommend the 310 for the reasons you mentioned. Especially when there are plenty of low mileage G650GS popping up all the time.

There is currently a G650GS for sale near me with like 10k km (6k miles) for $3700 US. I'm tempted to get just because it's red lol.

It's only 35 lbs heavier and you can ride across the world on one.

The G310 is cool, but, if I already had a Vespa, I'm not gaining enough to make it worth adding it as a second bike.

Same thing with the Meteor, to be honest. Even if I did trust Royal Enfield. If I want something small displacement, cute, light weight... I already have a Vespa, why would I buy an Enfield? Bleh emoticon

If I want something cute it should at least have the same quality as the Vespa, plus more get up and go, like a W650, W800, Bonneville, Street Twin, Z650RS, Z900RS...

- Current Vespa, Bonneville, Z900RS, and multiple GS owner...
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Big GS fan. I have two. I would never recommend the 310 for the reasons you mentioned. Especially when there are plenty of low mileage G650GS popping up all the time.

There is currently a G650GS for sale near me with like 10k km (6k miles) for $3700 US. I'm tempted to get just because it's red lol.

It's only 35 lbs heavier and you can ride across the world on one.

The G310 is cool, but, if I already had a Vespa, I'm not gaining enough to make it worth adding it as a second bike.

Same thing with the Meteor, to be honest. Even if I did trust Royal Enfield. If I want something small displacement, cute, light weight... I already have a Vespa, why would I buy an Enfield? Bleh emoticon

If I want something cute it should at least have the same quality as the Vespa, plus more get up and go, like a W650, W800, Bonneville, Street Twin, Z650RS, Z900RS...

- Current Vespa, Bonneville, Z900RS, and multiple GS owner...
I've owned a W800, and an older Hinckley Bonneville T100 (790cc), also a 1200 Thruxton, and my wife had a Z650, and later a Z900, and all were very good machines. One of my current bikes is an RE 650 Interceptor, and I have a lot more good things to say for it than negatives.

My '20 Vespa GTS is the 'Gold Standard' that I judge all other machines in its approximate displacement class against, and in my opinion, I have yet to find a modern sub-400cc motorcycle that I would consider superior overall in any way.
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I'll come out when I'm good and ready.
😂

I had a Madison 400, which effectively has the same engine at the Burgervan. Shame about the rest of the bike LOL.

Even did a 180 mile trip on it (360 round trip). Not too shabby.

If the suspension and plastics were better, I might have kept it. Oh, and spares too (probably not as problematic on the Suzuki).
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The 300GTS fills a wide gap. I just sold my BMW K1600 GT (which arguably picks up where the Vespa leaves off) because the Vespa is more versatile. I'll keep the Ural sidecar and Morgan as complementary toys, but that's all they are.
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The 300GTS fills a wide gap. I just sold my BMW K1600 GT (which arguably picks up where the Vespa leaves off) because the Vespa is more versatile. I'll keep the Ural sidecar and Morgan as complementary toys, but that's all they are.
Now THAT'S kind of what a Vanderhall or Slingshot should look like.
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I have three machines in the garage -- a GTS, an ET4, and a Royal Enfield Himalayan. And I've noticed something strange. Whichever one I am riding, I swear it's my favorite.

Seems I have three favorites. And my lizard brain keeps telling me I have space for a fourth favorite.

Is this just an expression of PTW insanity??
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I have three machines in the garage -- a GTS, an ET4, and a Royal Enfield Himalayan. And I've noticed something strange. Whichever one I am riding, I swear it's my favorite.

Seems I have three favorites. And my lizard brain keeps telling me I have space for a fourth favorite.

Is this just an expression of PTW insanity??
You're normal VESPAsfw3! Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul. I understand your thoughts though, having just picked up bike #5 a project Primavera 150. It's getting out of hand and time to thin the herd. The curse of prosperity.

BTW I enjoy watching your youtube videos. Laid back and thoughtful, nice work!
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You're normal VESPAsfw3! Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul. I understand your thoughts though, having just picked up bike #5 a project Primavera 150. It's getting out of hand and time to thin the herd. The curse of prosperity.

BTW I enjoy watching your youtube videos. Laid back and thoughtful, nice work!
I definitely feel some deep effect when riding. Moving the soul sounds right.

And thank your for your kind words about my videos. I enjoy making them. An old man's creative tinkering...
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I can only dream of being able to express myself as well as mr. williams. I fell it is an honor to listen and or read about what a Vespa in his life has and hopefully will continue to make life tolerable and often joyful. My life has been and I believe will continue to be better while I enjoy My scoot and episodes of mr. williams views on life as we age.
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I am considering a brand new motorcycles.
I found this video for you. The discontinued Ninja 300 doing 107 indicated, probably 97 to 100 mph GPS.

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Pretty awesome.
Absolutely. Certifiably nuts! Gotta luv it though. Firstly, its one thing to be caught in a downpour on a scooter/motorcycle, another thing entirely in a M3W where water pools in your crotch.

Once Roy finished with this 3W, he literally parked it and forgot it in an ally outdoors in Manhattan. It was eventually shipped to a NY-area dealer for a clean up and refresh which is where I saw it in a very sorry state.
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I found this video for you. The discontinued Ninja 300 doing 107 indicated, probably 97 to 100 mph GPS.

Thanks very much!
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Had to wait until break-in was over, but I am devastated to have discovered that it's impossible to do wheelies on one of these things. My Ducati could pop one in third gear! How will I get any dates? Facepalm emoticon
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Had to wait until break-in was over, but I am devastated to have discovered that it's impossible to do wheelies on one of these things. My Ducati could pop one in third gear! How will I get any dates? Facepalm emoticon
You will get a different class of date with your Vespa.
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frank thomas wrote:
I can only dream of being able to express myself as well as mr. williams. I fell it is an honor to listen and or read about what a Vespa in his life has and hopefully will continue to make life tolerable and often joyful. My life has been and I believe will continue to be better while I enjoy My scoot and episodes of mr. williams views on life as we age.
Writing, like riding, improves with practice. I never stuck with practicing much of anything during my life but I swore I would improve my writing skills. Practicing riding was a breeze because it was a joy. Writing was not. I understand why writers drink.

Anyway, thank you for your comments. Riding my Vespa has done far more than make life tolerable. It's opened the hangar doors so I can soar!

I will say though, only a few things make me feel old -- a bad back, the view in the mirror, and hearing Mr. Williams applied to me! Razz emoticon
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Pebowles wrote:
Had to wait until break-in was over, but I am devastated to have discovered that it's impossible to do wheelies on one of these things. My Ducati could pop one in third gear! How will I get any dates? Facepalm emoticon
Actually, you are going to be doing just fine if (Vespa) wheelies are what your potential mates are into.

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giallo wrote:
Actually, you are going to be doing just fine if (Vespa) wheelies are what your potential mates are into.
I gather one of the keys to aid doing _big_ wheelies on a modern vespa is to replace the final drive with a different ratio. (and of course the other usual things like rollers etc)
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VESPAsfw3 wrote:
Writing, like riding, improves with practice. I never stuck with practicing much of anything during my life but I swore I would improve my writing skills. Practicing riding was a breeze because it was a joy. Writing was not. I understand why writers drink.

Anyway, thank you for your comments. Riding my Vespa has done far more than make life tolerable. It's opened the hangar doors so I can soar!

I will say though, only a few things make me feel old -- a bad back, the view in the mirror, and hearing Mr. Williams applied to me! Razz emoticon
I share the bad back aches and use a brace while riding, what I see in my mirrors on reflecting about the terrain I have passed leads me to hope I will have time to pass through again. My useof mr. is respect for the person I feel you are not because of age as I am your senor in age by more the a few years. may we both have many a year in our future to relish the smiles we enjoy riding the back roads on a VESPA.
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SteelBytes wrote:
I gather one of the keys to aid doing _big_ wheelies on a modern vespa is to replace the final drive with a different ratio. (and of course the other usual things like rollers etc)
While I haven't done wheelies on any bike in a while, a balance point wheelie should be possible without much trouble. It's much like doing that with a regular bicycle. Just don't do it on a public road. 😀

Can you do a wheelie on your scooter?
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