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Well the second 225 P motor with stock internals has found its way to my garage. Dont know why folks would skimp but they did. That said we've got Malossi reed cases, Mazzucelli longstroke crank, Malossi 225 top end, Vape ignition but stock everything else. Broken teeth just like the crackhead down the street.

This guy has money though and wants to do it right, what the general consensus on internals to do it right for street riding. BGM superstrong? SIP new clutches? XYZ Cush drive? Crimaz gearsets?

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Clutch is a must…

The clutch plates last a week if CR80 or similar aren't used.

I'm not a fan of the new bull clutches… I don't think the clutches have enough holes for the oil to pass through. Tabs on the plates too thick and the recesses too small.

I'd be willing to try the new SIP reversed clutch if money is no problem.

Honestly I don't think DRT gearboxes are really necessary. I just think stock gears are just old that's why they break.

I used DRT on my old PX, I suppose they're piece of mind… rode on it for 3 years, no problems so far.

Just about to order the new SIP branded gearbox. Interested how they'll perform.

I'd probably go straight tooth primary and clutch though. I like helical gears, shifting is smoother, but anything to take the stress away from the primary and crank will be a good idea.
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I felt as though i over built my transmission in my T5 172 reeded track bike. I went with a full DRT close ratio transmission, cross, and clutch from tip to tail. I went with the smallest and lightest weight DRT clutch that i could find. The reason being is that i was trying to minimize the amount of weight that was hanging off the side of the crankshaft. I have absolutely zero complaints.

At the bare minimum i would swap over to a full EFL transmission...preferably a DRT.
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VMC Ergal 10 molle clutch
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I'm with Johnny G on this one, full EFL box at bare minimum and make sure it's genuine Piaggio stuff. I'd pop for DRT cogs and primary for peace of mind.

clutch wise, the BGM's seem to be getting the nod of late. but I'd say if you're not beating the snot out of it maybe an SIP cosa 2 sport basket with good springs and the updated/CR frictions?
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Stock EFL or Benelli for me. I have seen some DRT (now SIP) and Crimaz turn to cheese where the holes are…

Clutch, the new VMC which is a better version of the same MMW / SIP / BGM design. CR80 discs is a must…
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Stock EFL or Benelli for me. I have seen some DRT (now SIP) and Crimaz turn to cheese where the holes are…

Clutch, the new VMC which is a better version of the same MMW / SIP / BGM design. CR80 discs is a must…
a friend of mine who's a little more well connected than I made mention of there being a bad run of DRT gears. whether there's truth in that, I can't speak to but he wasn't the kind to blow smoke. this was, however, several years ago.

what I can say is crimaz crosses, never again. of the 4 I've installed only one has stood up-- and it's in a basically stock application. two of the others shattered and the third one looked like it was made of licorice the way it was smooshed up. reminded me of the old black FA crosses.

the Benelli stuff is nice, but that's a TON of loot!
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Make sure that the spindle is correct. Malossi cases are based off of PX cases so the end of the spindle that slides into the fly side half should be 13mm if it 11.5mm it's the P200 spindle and that would have been the fault.
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That case may also be cracked where the spindle comes through on the clutch side.
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That definitely looks like a P2 box (13mm selector rod) and I think Mattgyver nailed it with the primary's axle. Looks to be the older, slimmer type, so the whole 'tree' was probably 'wobbling' inside. I'd be checking the other side too for probable cracks (nut side)...

And a newer primary axle for comparison...
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the Benelli stuff is nice, but that's a TON of loot!
Malossi also got in the game recently. If their cogs are the same quality as their gear kits for scooters, I think they worth the dough...

https://www.malossistore.com/en/us/vespa-px-e-200-2t-vepx200-M
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Thanks gang,

I'm stepping away for two weeks due to work, but have an order started with scooter speed. We'll see what's in stock and can be shipped so it'll be waiting for me.

I'll try to get someone over to inspect the clutch side for primary cracks. I didn't look there to be honest. It was late last night and the wife was already pissed at me.
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I'll try to get someone over to inspect the clutch side for primary cracks. I didn't look there to be honest. It was late last night and the wife was already pissed at me.
yeah, with that kind of damage I'd mos def give a hairy eyeball to the cases there.

also, pro tip: if she's already pissed, take the extra 5 to scrub down real good so she's not even more pissed from grime in the bed clothes. you can throw out the pillow cases but getting grease out of a comforter is no joke.
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Malossi also got in the game recently. If their cogs are the same quality as their gear kits for scooters, I think they worth the dough...

https://www.malossistore.com/en/us/vespa-px-e-200-2t-vepx200-M
honestly, not that bad. I was expecting total and utter sticker shock.

Maybe I've been looking at car parts too much of late...
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Just as an FYI, i bought all my DRT transmission bits and pieces way back in 2011(?). I have absolutely no idea what their current quality is like. I seem to recall some years ago that there was some issues with the Casa Performance / DRT collaboration Cyclone 5 speed transmission that DRT manufactured for CP. I think at the end of the day CP used a different manufacturer to make their gears.
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