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Hi all,
I'm looking to buy a used modern vespa to replace my 2001 ET4 150.

Can anyone give a real comparison of the 150 3v ie engine and the newer 150iGet engine ?

Power, acceleration, top speed ?

I was looking at a 2019 primavera 150iGet, but was told they have less power and top speed than the older 150 3V ie engines ?

Something to do with emission rules etc ?

Is there any truth to this?

Thanks in advance,
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I can't comment on the 3V but I have the iGet 150 in my new Piaggio Medley. I've got to say that I was expecting more. Very nippy but not so great at top speed. It starts to struggle after 80KPH and up steep hills. It's really not that much better than the 125 Leader in my last scoot.
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Thanks for.the reply.
That's very interesting, but a bit disappointing too.
I'd expect new technology engines (iget)to be better all round than the older ones.(3v ie)
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Do you know what power the ET4 runs at?

The Euro 5 engine which came out in the last couple of years is 9.2kw (12.5hp) @ 7,750rpm.

I believe the Euro 4 engine (which might be what is in a 2019?) was a little bit less power than this, but not by much.
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Sorry I don't know much about the engines.

We call.them the 150 V3 ie, then the next newest version is the Iget.

I dont know how that relates to.the euro versions
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Doing a search on specs, the 150 3V ie has 9.5 kW compared to the new iGet 150 with 12.1 kW.
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Ok, I think the ET4 150 (2001 model) is about 11.3hp ?
I'm.getting different results from my search.
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Doing a search on specs, the 150 3V ie has 9.5 kW compared to the new iGet 150 with 12.1 kW.
That's much higher than the euro 150cc engines. Are you sure it's not 12.1hp and not KW?
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Ok, I think the ET4 150 (2001 model) is about 11.3hp ?
I'm.getting different results from my search.
The new 150 is 12.5hp - so you will see a small bump in power, but not a crazy amount.

I imagine the handling difference and wheel size would be the biggest difference you'd feel between models.
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Some.sites say 11.3hp (ET4 150) Leader engine
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That's much higher than the euro 150cc engines. Are you sure it's not 12.1hp and not KW?
This is what I got. Maybe Australian model is derestricted?
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Thats the modern iget 150 engine in the latest sprint and primavera.
Those figures could be a mistake.
12.1hp maybe ??
12.1kw is huge !
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This is what I got. Maybe Australian model is derestricted?
Is that the GTS 150 or a Primavera/Sprint 150 or medley?

They're both iGet but they are different specs. the gts and medley versions has more power + torque. This difference is because the GTS and medley iGet are water cooled but the primavera/spring are air cooled.
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The primavera/sprint in the iget 150.

These are the ones I'd like to compare with the older 150 3V ie and my 20 year old ET4 150 carburettor model(leader)
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Just looked at my owner's manual for my Euro 3 Medley and it states 11kW. A bit of false advertising by Aussie dealership there.
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The primavera/sprint in the iget 150.

These are the ones I'd like to compare with the older 150 3V ie and my 20 year old ET4 150 carburettor model(leader)
for the Primavera/Sprint (not GTS or Medley) according to Piaggio docs (I only trust their docs not what I see elsewhere due to typos)

Current model 150 iGet Euro 5 is 9.2kW 12.4Nm
ref: https://wlassets.vespa.com/wlassets/vespa/master/tech_spec/2023/PRIMAVERA_125-150_COLORVIBE_EN_200323/original/PRIMAVERA_125-150_COLORVIBE_EN_200323.pdf?1679323879110

150 iGet Euro 4 is 9.5kw 12.8nm
ref: https://wlassets.vespa.com/wlassets/vespa/it/schede_tecniche/2020/PRIMAVERA_150_IGET_ABS/original/PRIMAVERA_150_IGET_ABS.pdf?1600955863214

150 3V Euro 4 is 9.5kw 12.8nm
ref: https://wlassets.vespa.com/wlassets/vespa/master/tech_spec/2020/SPRINT_150_S_3V_ABS/original/SPRINT_150_S_3V_ABS.pdf?1601027704717
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So pretty much identical peak power. There may be some shenanigans with the power curve for emission reasons. Might be why they come with too heavy rollers.
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and for the ET4 150 from piaggio docs it's it 8.4Kw (unknown nm)
ref: https://manuals.wotmeworry.org.uk/Vespa/ET4/ET4WorkshopBetter.pdf
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That's great information, thankyou...

My main concern is the top speed.

I don't want to upgrade and find that I'm going slower than my current 2001 ET4 150. (speedo reached 105kmh this morning)

Surely newer 150 vespa are faster ???
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I don't know about the Vespas but I've seen YouTube videos of the Medley 150 doing 120KPH. I haven't had mine on the freeway so can't confirm but as I said, it starts to labour after 80.
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Azamagnum wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking to buy a used modern vespa to replace my 2001 ET4 150.

Can anyone give a real comparison of the 150 3v ie engine and the newer 150iGet engine ?

Power, acceleration, top speed ?

I was looking at a 2019 primavera 150iGet, but was told they have less power and top speed than the older 150 3V ie engines ?

Something to do with emission rules etc ?

Is there any truth to this?

Thanks in advance,
Aaron
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I currently have a 2015 Sprint 150 3V and had a 2018 Primavera 150 iGet


I think from factory the Primavera was possibly geared for a slightly higher top speed and a slightly lower take off compared to the Sprint?

At any rate was very hard to tell much difference on take offs or top speed when they both had stock rollers and set ups.

Both handle moderate large hills on rolling, fast 50mph+ roads with one up, 2 up leaves me wanting for a bit more power on the larger hills but still respectable and fast enough to be safe.
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The iGet is the 3 valve LEM with a new name. It's basically your ET4 engine with a different head and fuel injection. Honda makes an engine called the GET, so it's likely that Piaggio was inspired to call their engine something similar.
When it comes to Piaggio and performance, keep in mind that people are quoting horsepower figures from the same company that said the Piaggio Fly 3 valve engine got 121 mpg or 51 km/l, if I remember correctly. If you read some of the posts about fuel economy when the 3 valve engine came out, you will find that a lot of people were convinced their brand new scooters were broken. Honda rated their PCX, which is a liquid cooled, more modern engine, at one horsepower more than Piaggio rates their 3V 150 air cooled engine. That's gotta be the world's biggest horse.
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I think from factory the Primavera was possibly geared for a slightly higher top speed and a slightly lower take off compared to the Sprint?
iirc the early primavera vs sprint had different wheel sizes to each other but in current generation they have the same as each other? (I'm too lazy to google to check my memory on this)
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I currently have a 2015 Sprint 150 3V and had a 2018 Primavera 150 iGet


I think from factory the Primavera was possibly geared for a slightly higher top speed and a slightly lower take off compared to the Sprint?

At any rate was very hard to tell much difference on take offs or top speed when they both had stock rollers and set ups.

Both handle moderate large hills on rolling, fast 50mph+ roads with one up, 2 up leaves me wanting for a bit more power on the larger hills but still respectable and fast enough to be safe.
Thanks for the info.
So you went from a 2018 iget 150 to an older 2015 150 3V ?
Any particular reason?

And you're right about the odd wheel sizes in the earlier bikes.
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If you had a choice between a Primavera 150 3Vie, and a Primavera 150 iGet, what would you buy and why ?
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Euro 3 and Euro 4 3v vs. iGet engine numbers are exactly the same.

Both the model years (Primavera) you (the OP) quote have 11 in wheels. If my source is correct 12 in wheels didn't apear until 2021.

The only difference being maybe the choice of tires avaiable. 11 vs 12
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iirc the early primavera vs sprint had different wheel sizes to each other but in current generation they have the same as each other? (I'm too lazy to google to check my memory on this)
Good call, forgot about the different wheel size.
The 2018 Primavera had 11" inch wheels I think maybe 2019 Primavera as well.
My 2015 Sprint has 12" wheels.

I remember reading somewhere, outer circumference of wheel and tire of the 11" and 12" was the same or very close, as the Sprint has lower profile tires.

For some reason I like the feel of the Sprint better but could be because it's electric blue.
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If you had a choice between a Primavera 150 3Vie, and a Primavera 150 iGet, what would you buy and why ?
I'd generally buy newer but might see the ESS suspension as a reason not too.
Also, I'd buy the one made in Italy.
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Thanks for the info.
So you went from a 2018 iget 150 to an older 2015 150 3V ?
Any particular reason?

And you're right about the odd wheel sizes in the earlier bikes.
Ended up getting a white GTS 300 and the Primavera was also white, didn't want to have 2 white Vespas, more options for 12" tires and also like the Sprint rectangular headlamp.

It truly was splitting hairs on performance, they both were great running, great handling, both had low miles, both were capable of splitting traffic and jumping way ahead of the traffic pack at red lights.

You really can't go wrong with either bike.
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I'd generally buy newer but might see the ESS suspension as a reason not too.
Also, I'd buy the one made in Italy.
It appears that all new vespa in Australia from around 2008 were built in Vietnam....
There might be a couple of exceptions, but we stuck with non Italian vespa now.
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might see the ESS suspension as a reason not too.
For me the quirkyness is a reason to buy. Like a 2016 Sprit 150.
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It appears that all new vespa in Australia from around 2008 were built in Vietnam....
There might be a couple of exceptions, but we stuck with non Italian vespa now.
We get a mix. Usually the seat release is on the seat itself for the Vietnamese ones, which are probably put together better than the Italian ones.
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does any one knows the differences between the newes 3v tech engines from the indian market and the 3v ie of the 2014-2016 primaveras?
is it the same ?
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does any one knows the differences between the newes 3v tech engines from the indian market and the 3v ie of the 2014-2016 primaveras?
is it the same ?
a quick google gives this 2019 Vespa India specs pdf https://www.vespa.com/dam/jcr:97759ec1-ea50-4b40-afa9-c7302b9a1797/India_Vespa_range_brochure_092019.pdf

this is a lot less than the current 150 in the rest of the world. but it is a 2019 doc so not sure if they have updated ...
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Has anyone mentioned that iGet is a system not an engine.
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