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Sold my TW 200 this morning so it is time to go looking for a replacement along the line of a scooter. Other than going to a step thru platform from motorcycle the difference in engine braking with gears vs CVT may or may not be a problem. Any particular make/model better controllable on a long steep downhill?

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I ride with a neighbor who has a TW200. If we're strictly taking pavement, I would say my GTS250 outperforms in most aspects.

I have not had any issues with speed and bike control on long downhills.

Depending on the roads you ride, speed limit, and riding style, I would think a 150 would be fine if coming off a TW. A 300 is going to be appreciated when going up those steep hills.
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The trick with getting some engine braking on a long fast downhill is to gently blip the throttle until the clutch engages again. If you get it just right, the shoes will be spinning fast enough to stay 'out' and engaged. They'll eventually disengage though, so this is a rinse and repeat. Better than getting brake fade!
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^^ Jim nailed it. works most of the time for me unless I'm on gravel on a steep road with lots of switchbacks
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jimc wrote:
The trick with getting some engine braking on a long fast downhill is to gently blip the throttle until the clutch engages again. If you get it just right, the shoes will be spinning fast enough to stay 'out' and engaged. They'll eventually disengage though, so this is a rinse and repeat. Better than getting brake fade!
The clutch won't disengage until it gets below it's engagement rpm so going downhill it will not disengage until , in my case, about 17 kph or 11 mph. If you stay above that threshold the transmission will stay in the highest gear. So some engine braking but not much.
On long slow downhill stretches I alternate between front and rear braking.
I have not tried blipping the throttle to get the CVT to "change down" as it increseses the speed and will then revert to the highest gear or the same as before.

If the OP wants a Vespa then he'll need a minimum of a 150 to get the same power as his previous TW200. If he wants to stay with Yamaha then an NMax
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Oldfatguy wrote:
Any particular make/model better controllable on a long steep downhill?
The BV350 has better engine braking than my SH. Sometimes when no one is around I'll slalom to a red light with engine brakes so I can conserve the brake pads.

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