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Day three with the new GTS and it's dead.
You guessed it. I left it on overnight and killed the battery. So easy to do in the new keyless world...
I have it connected to my phone and the Vespa app, and it kept alerting me that it was saving my location. I ignored it thinking the app was buggy (it is). But it was trying to tell me I was connecting and disconnecting from the bike, which was happily tucked in the garage with the ignition on.
Lesson learned.
Are folks with 2023 GTSs finding they are accidentally leaving them on?
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I am guessing you turn it off with the kill-switch. Leaving a bike turned on (and keys left in ready for theft on older models) is the reason everywhere but North America the wisdom is never to use the kill switch except in emergency. The MSF in NA in their wisdom decree the opposite, citing 'muscle memory' as being important wrt the kill switch.

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I never switch off the engine with the kill switch, always with the key. But of course my 2012 BV is not keyless.

My wife's Renault is keyless. Very good system. Cannot go wrong.
You approach the car and you open the door and it will open, you only need to have the key fob close enough as in your pocket. Switch on the engine by pushing the starter button.

Arriving at your destination you only have to step out and close the door. Once you are 2 - 3 meters away from the car it locks all doors and shuts down.
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I didn't turn it off with the kill switch.
I went out last evening to set the clock. I turned the ignition on to do so then walked away... Since it has no keys, it's a pretty simple mistake to make. Normally I'd turn the handlebars and lock it (and in the process assure that it's off) but since it is in my garage I sometimes don't lock it. Like yesterday.
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I am guessing you turn it off with the kill-switch. Leaving a bike turned on (and keys left in ready for theft on older models) is the reason everywhere but North America the wisdom is never to use the kill switch except in emergency. The MSF in NA in their wisdom decree the opposite, citing 'muscle memory' as being important wrt the kill switch.

Hey-Ho...
More likely turned it off by putting down the kickstand. Since 2018 GTS sold in the US have a reliable side stand that doesn't collapse but does have a kill switch in it. I've done that with both my previous 2018 and my current 2023 keyless ignition.

I caught it before the battery went completely dead but on the 2923 the battery it would turn over but not catch wouldn't charge back up and I had to replace it. I've heard of 3 others where the 2023 battery died and wouldn't charge after a short time if 3 to 10 weeks.
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do you keep the keyless fob in the garage or take it inside the house?
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do you keep the keyless fob in the garage or take it inside the house?
I took it in the house, probably 20 feet from where the scooter is.
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I took it in the house, probably 20 feet from where the scooter is.
I was wondering as I'm not sure if the 2023 is smart enough to shut it's ignition off when the key fob was out of range for a long period of time. (i'm too lazy to read up on this as I don't have a 2023)
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I was wondering as I'm not sure if the 2023 is smart enough to shut it's ignition off when the key fob was out of range for a long period of time. (i'm too lazy to read up on this as I don't have a 2023)
Well if not it bloody well should! I wouldn't mind betting this is another sloppy bit of programming by whatever 12-year-old Piaggio hired to 'just do the job', with no proper specification or beta testing by known breakers of other's code (me for instance...).

Just as daft as their immobilisers being insecure (they can be virginised, if that's a word) and so only a problem for honest people, never the crims.
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I was wondering as I'm not sure if the 2023 is smart enough to shut it's ignition off when the key fob was out of range for a long period of time. (i'm too lazy to read up on this as I don't have a 2023)
In my experience it is not though I had expected it to as even my 2006 would shut off the alarm light to conserve battery after a certain amount of time. I parked the scoot and checked into my hotel. Then walked across the parking lot to have a bite to eat. Then met up with some other folks. Walking back about 4 hours later I noticed my headlight was still on. Turned the switch to off and checked the volt meter on my usb port which said 10.7. Turned the usb port off. At that point everything was off. Next morning I tried to use a jump pack to start and nothing. Turned on the volt meter and it was down to 7.x. Ended up buying a new battery and haven't had a single issue since.
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In my experience it is not though I had expected it to
well I guess there's a market for an aftermarket accessory to monitor the battery voltage with a timer and turn off the ignition. similar to my oxford heated grips that are direct wired to the battery and monitor it's voltage and will shut themselves off after a few minutes at 12.x
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I haven't made the mistake of leaving the ignition on while exiting my new GTS, but I can see how it is easy to do.

Yamaha got it better with the Xmax.

Just today, riding the Xmax, I had the ignition on to the open seat setting and walked away at my office.

As I got out of the fob range the scooter started beeping at me.

That is an easy sign and I returned and turned it off.

The Vespa doesn't notify the rider except with an accessory light flash that is impossible to see when walking away.

I always thought that if I were to buy a new GTS, I would have to carry a battery with me but it has been ok so far.

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All charged back up and back to normal.
However... I just realized now that I didn't in fact leave the ignition "ON", I left it in the "OFF" position. But the app was still connected when I walked away before the battery drained. Is it possible that the scooter won't shut completely down if it's still connected via Bluetooth to the Vespa app??? If so, wow. Just wow.
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I left mine on once. I am *VERY* neurotic about making sure it's off before I even put it on the stand now.
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All charged back up and back to normal.
However... I just realized now that I didn't in fact leave the ignition "ON", I left it in the "OFF" position. But the app was still connected when I walked away before the battery drained. Is it possible that the scooter won't shut completely down if it's still connected via Bluetooth to the Vespa app??? If so, wow. Just wow.
very very very unlikely.

on the pre-2023 supertech the bluetooth module (pmp2) was powered by the ignition. off was off.

I would confidently bet that this is the same in the 2023 (but I haven't seen the wiring diagram)

be aware that the app can think it is still connected when it actual fact it is not. my testing of the app showed a lot of this dodginess. instead check the bluetooth status shown in your phone settings as that will give a more accurate state of connection even though that can also be slow to update after a disconnect (depends).
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I suspect that the app might alert you if the scoot is still on but at the time I had my issue I had not been able to get the app to connect to my phone. Ironically, first time I tried after replacing the battery it connected without drama and has connected every time I've remembered to open the app when I'm riding the Vespas Super Sport.
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very very very unlikely.

on the pre-2023 supertech the bluetooth module (pmp2) was powered by the ignition. off was off.

Am I correct that you are a coder? I am as well. I'd love to know more about accessing the pmp2. I've got a little dream of hooking a raspberry pi up and seeing what's what...
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Am I correct that you are a coder? I am as well. I'd love to know more about accessing the pmp2. I've got a little dream of hooking a raspberry pi up and seeing what's what...
yup.

If you're into pi etc then instead of worrying about the proprietary pmp2 I'd suggest taking a look at this thread where @deitopi used an esp32 + lcd panel connected to the canbus. https://www-vespaforum-de.translate.goog/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=60292&sid=b012b35f8ef9b7a8342f03cc1fa86e8f&start=15&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
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very very very unlikely.

on the pre-2023 supertech the bluetooth module (pmp2) was powered by the ignition. off was off.

I would confidently bet that this is the same in the 2023 (but I haven't seen the wiring diagram)
Well I'm wrong Facepalm emoticon

I got a brief play with a 2023 Super Sport today and it's Bluetooth (PMP3) does remain alive and connected after turning off the ignition.

I thought about it and I realised its so the user can do "Find Me" (flash lights) , "Follow Me" (headlight on for 30sec) and Seat Open (not sure if this is only for mp3 but it is certainly part of the pmp3 system).

So I would strongly recommend 'swipe closing' or 'force closing' the vespa mia app if you had it connected.


PS the pre-2023 Supertech did this functions using a seperate module called 'bike finder ' in the parts list. It's not part of the pmp2 Bluetooth



Edit: seems that can repeatedly connect and disconnect while ign off until the phone stays disconnected for a while (10mins or something like that). don't have a bike to play with for extensive testing.
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