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Oh, that's annoying.

All those people moving from C/A causing problems huh ?
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So this must also mean that cars won't try to share the lane with motorcycles, even by accident?

Sounds like a safety win. Facepalm emoticon

Or does the law put all of the legal onus on the motorcycle rider to make sure they never end up sharing the lane, for whatever reason?

And yes, I'm kidding. What The? emoticon
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Texas is competing with Florida to become the most regressive state in the union. Facepalm emoticon
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Personal strong opposition. Splitting is dangerous but filtering is smart. There is a difference in the terminology in how it's used here. Filtering is through stationary (or need stationary) traffic.
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Texas is competing with Florida to become the most regressive state in the union. Facepalm emoticon
That's politics ...
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That's politics ...
Meh, perhaps. But it's safe to say Texas is competing with Florida.
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Oh, that's annoying.

All those people moving from C/A causing problems huh ?
Actually it's one of the golden states better policies, works well in practice too.
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I know I am not to discuss politics here but how can you even have a thread about legislation that is enacted by politicians without bringing up politics?

Politics bleeds over into so many areas if we are to strictly follow the no politics rules very little will be discussed here.
Some good points there. My take is the rules are to prevent partisan political comments which, well, spin out of control.
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This also does not surprise me that the economics of big business is considered first in Texas before any common sense in the application of rules and regulations affecting anything.
Mate that's literally everywhere, not just Texas lol.
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Some non-rider law makers in Texas hiding behind their air bags don't want others to get ahead of them in traffic. Doesn't matter if it's safer.
Same people that close the gap when someone uses their turn signal.
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can we keep the politics to a dull roar in this one, please?
LOL, you may as well lock the thread, unwarrented, emotional political innuendo are in the majority of posts.

Having spent over four decades riding in Kalifornia I have experienced my share of ugliness. The majority of the folks I know in law inforcement understand physics and support resposible filtering. Blaming ctizens escaping the tyranny in Kalifornia for isolated legislatve ignorance in another state is poppy cock. I'm pretty sure most experienced riders in Texas would agree. Instead the real question that we should be asking is how do we educate and encourage responsible policy to save lives?
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can we keep the politics to a dull roar in this one, please?
I think it's really about money, not politics. And insurance money at that. I can understand filtering, lane splitting not so much. But I am not that much in a hurry to go anywhere, anymore. Retirement mindset and all.....
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Instead the real question that we should be asking is how do we educate and encourage responsible policy to save lives?
Agreed.
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As another poster has suggested, and one that I happen to agree with, the policy of allowing lane splitting works very well in California.

Motorcycling is dangerous. Have you ever ridden in California as a commuter in a major metro area where it is widely accepted and almost everybody is used to it and is tolerant of it? If not I might suggest that you have no basis for comparison and are ignorant.

If not for lane splitting the horrendous traffic jams in the major metropolitan areas would be that much worse.

And from what I understand the reason it was allowed to begin with was that the air cooled bikes sitting stuck in traffic with no air flowing past cooling fins to keep engines cool would overheat causing further obstructions to the moving traffic.

Not everybody "gets it" but if you had to sit in traffic for an hour a day (or more depending) each way for a trip that would only take 25 minutes each way without traffic for decades not only would you avail yourself of the opportunity to split lanes but you would also accept the others that did avail themselves of splitting as it would reduce your commute time as well as improving local air quality.
I commute 20 miles on the freeway (405 and 10) in Los Angeles. The traffic is rarely completely stopped (0 mph) but often is 5-15 mph. To say that I can filter, but not split is ridiculous. In fact, it's safer to split under these conditions because the motorcycle is much more stable at slightly higher speeds.

Pretty much all the splitting is done between the HOV (Diamond) lane and the next lane to the right. The vast majority of car commuters are used to this and most leave ample room for us to pass.

Of course, any law enforcement officer on a motorcycle will be splitting as well.

It almost feels like I am a member of a brotherhood (with a very small percentage of sisters).
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When I'm in 3 lanes of traffic, I use the middle lane. Hazards I'm looking for are, opposing obstructed view left turn, Right turn trailing cars wanting my lane, and cars entering traffic.
When I stop in traffic, I'm as close to the white line without breaking the plane. As soon as I stop, I check the rear view to make sure the following car is stopping. Every time. Filtering would end this need.
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If you think lane splitting or filtering is unsafe then perhaps visit some other parts of the world, educate yourself and learn how to ride on two wheels.
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splitting can be unsafe given certain conditions, but generally speaking when done responsibly both are to everyone's benefit.
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Being from Texas and riding for over 55 yrs, I can say with confidence that laws like this one were/are being shot down by Insurance companies ( which have many lobbyists and hands in pockets of others I won't mention). I suspect if there were more participation by riders voice themselves (to certain individuals that can get laws passed) in spite of what insurance companies want ( which is for you to live in a bubble and just pay your policy) then laws like the splitting/filtering would stand more of a chance of becoming a reality. I'm surprised Insurance companies haven't gotten step ladders outlawed or restricted to use without a license. FWIW , I took the advanced riders safety course ($150) and when I renewed my MC insurance policy they gave me a whopping 5% discount !. Judging by this I will never recover my cost for the course. We don't have the % of savy riders per county/state to change this. Texas really is a great place otherwise.
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FWIW , I took the advanced riders safety course ($150) and when I renewed my MC insurance policy they gave me a whopping 5% discount !. Judging by this I will never recover my cost for the course.
That depends, I think.
Do you have a dollars to pounds equivalent for human flesh? Bleh emoticon
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The Advanced MC safety course was very good, informative and useful, and I even learned a few things. Not complaining about that. My point was the Insurance industry doesn't think much of these things and put a low value on such. If they really though it would save THEM some money, they would probably give a better discount. Their concern is only $$$, inspite of their commercials trying to make you feel they care. As I said they just as soon you live in a bubble.
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The Advanced MC safety course was very good, informative and useful, and I even learned a few things. Not complaining about that. My point was the Insurance industry doesn't think much of these things and put a low value on such. If they really though it would save THEM some money, they would probably give a better discount. Their concern is only $$$, inspite of their commercials trying to make you feel they care. As I said they just as soon you live in a bubble.
The news is talking about insurance company's refusing to insure homes in hurricane zones. My van insurance jumped $250 this year. Not enough to pay for someones roof.
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Strong feelings on both sides of the issue.

Our metro area traffic in the Twin Cities is not bad compared to California. So, I guess I have no immediate need for splitting or filtering. My common sense reaction is it may be dangerous.

I did ride my Ducati 350 Scrambler in Italy for four years. I kind of liked doing anything you wanted to. Heck, the Italians would go around you on side walk. Again, I kind of enjoyed that crazy stuff. It was like the faster vehicle has the right of way.

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I have always been against lane splitting. Way back in 1975 when I got my motorcycle license, I was amazed to hear they were doing in in CA. In most cases there is simply not enough room between 2 lanes of traffic to ride a motorcycle or scooter safely. And there has been a huge increase in road rage incidents nationwide. Mostly from car and truck drivers. In my state "lane splitting" is illegal, but "filtering" between two lanes of stopped traffic at a light was made legal about a year ago. Immediately the trouble began. There was immediate anger from four wheeler drivers, who didn't feel that riders should be allowed to go ahead of them. Car and truck drivers will run over each other trying to get ahead. "Drivers" started moving over closer to the center lane to prevent bikes from getting through. Some stuck something out the window or threw something out the window. There was a lot of horn blowing. The fact is, ALL vehicles have the right to an entire lane, and that includes cars, trucks, and bikes. That means they have the right to use the entire lane from one line to the other. As long as some part of a vehicle doesn't cross over a lane line, they are legal. So how does that legally allow bikes to ride right down the center of a line, taking up space in lanes on both sides of them that legally belongs to the vehicles in that lane?

I don't care about the politics of this. I just want riders to stop getting killed and seriously injured from doing something stupid. Then there is the irresponsibleness of this. IMO, if you stick you hand in an alligators mouth, you have no right to complain when it gets bit off. And when you try to take up a part of a vehicles lane, you really can't complain when you get run over. ALL vehicles have the right to a full lane, including two wheeled vehicles.

A couple decades ago, back when I was able to ride a bicycle, I often rode in the bicycle lanes (the Phoenix area has lots of them) I was always getting things thrown at me, and cars/trucks moving over into the bike lanes to block me. They didn't like the idea that I was going right by them while they were stuck at a light. Several riders have been killed by behavior like that. I started riding on sidewalks. I still got things thrown at me. When you have car and truck operators acting like that (and pretty much all of them in my state do) do you really want to be riding just inches away from them AND passing them? It may work in some countries, but "drivers" in the U.S. have a whole different attitude. A number of road rage incidents here have involved firearmes or some other kind of weapon.
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From 1981 to 1985 I rode 90,000 miles on 2 bikes in San Diego(USCG). I loved the twisty's near El Cajon and La Mesa. I never saw or even knew I could lane split.
Road Rager's don't need lane splitting for a reason to act like a child.

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What happened to the poor innocent ampersand? He ain't no vowel, why are you beating up on him?
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What happened to the poor innocent ampersand? He ain't no vowel, why are you beating up on him?
Collateral damage?
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