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Good morning, in advance of EICMA In Nov, wondered if anyone has gathered some intel about what we can expect to see for 2024, new colors, new models, new tech..?
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a few colour changes every year
GTS no new tech of course Sprint/Primavera are due for an update. They stopped importing them into Australia (current warehouse stock only) as they don't have full ABS (front only) |
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Robot refers to the Vespa Primavera Disney Mickey Mouse Edition by Vespa as the "Final Edition."...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uFtmvVGum34
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: Robot refers to the Vespa Primavera Disney Mickey Mouse Edition by Vespa as the "Final Edition."... ![]() Obviously it's gotta be Barbie.
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: Robot refers to the Vespa Primavera Disney Mickey Mouse Edition by Vespa as the "Final Edition."... Robot also says there is such a thing as an HPE 2 which there isn't 🤦♂️ And calling the GTV a 2024 not a 2023 is a bit of stretch. But who knows, he might be right |
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Just did an online search, and the only references I can find to "HPE 2" are Robot and motorsport scooters. My user's manual does not mention any "2".
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Mike Holland wrote: The 2023 model is the HPE2. The problem is that in most markets there is the 125/150cc i-get engine variant (not HPE!) in addition to the GTS300. What do you call then the MY23 facelift of the "small" engines? Also, HPE2 implies a change to the engine (since HPE does refer to the engine). And the engine is about the only thing that has NOT changed in the MY23 facelift. So HPE2 is factually incorrect, causes confusion in most markets, and since Robot has tremendous reach with his otherwise very good videos, it would be great if he would address this concern. What does he do if now actually a change would come to the engine (MY23 with modified engine)... Updated HPE2 HPE2.5 / HPE3 / … |
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Mike Holland wrote: Just did an online search, and the only references I can find to "HPE 2" are Robot and motorsport scooters. My user's manual does not mention any "2". |
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: So HPE2 is factually incorrect, causes confusion in most markets, and since Robot has tremendous reach with his otherwise very good videos, it would be great if he would address this concern GermanGTSDriver wrote: ... MY23 ... |
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SteelBytes wrote: it's not actually a MY23 it's a MY22 just like it says in the MIA app but I'll forgive you |
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: "MY22" is the internal designation at Piaggio and only visible in the app. this was nowhere else communicated by Piaggio to the outside. Piaggio uses for the communication to the outside the designation RST (Re-Style) for the GTS Facelift presented in October 22. In the past (around the time of the HPE release) I remember seeing RST when reading about the restyling that it received so it would be a poor term for piaggio to use for what we all call the 2023. think I've also seen facelift used in the past on other vespas ... |
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I believe "MY22" was created by a technician / programmer when the software for the Bluetooth connection was created. Surely no one from marketing had that on the screen. This is the usual bungle of the Italians, which is why we love the Italian products in the end...
RST is used since the 90's: Piaggio Sfera / Sfera RST And of course RST is also nonsense, because the facelift from the facelift would then be an RRST... Re-Re-Style |
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The 2015 model with it's redesigned front suspension (later abandoned) was called the facelift model. The 2023 model deserves this name more - it is much more beautiful.
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Just received my 2024 GTS300 hpe in Titanium. I don't think there are any changes in the features. May be some new colors
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Craftsman wrote: Just received my 2024 GTS300 hpe in Titanium. I don't think there are any changes in the features. May be some new colors ![]()
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SteelBytes wrote: a MY2022 purchased in 2023 and called a 2024 ![]() The amount of a vehicle model that is sold the first year it is released is usually a predictor of how well it will sell in subsequent years. Bringing out a new year model 6 or 8 months early is one way to sell a lot more of them than they would otherwise. |
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Motovista wrote: Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos. Traditionally, a new model year is released in September of the previous year in the US. There have been plenty of times when manufacturers have brought out a new model, and given it the year designation that is more than a year away. So you can buy a 2024 model in late 2022 or early in 2023 for example. You see it more with cars than with motorcycles though. Usually it has to do with a major redesign of a model. The amount of a vehicle model that is sold the first year it is released is usually a predictor of how well it will sell in subsequent years. Bringing out a new year model 6 or 8 months early is one way to sell a lot more of them than they would otherwise. Being a programmer I love logic. Calling a model "2024" even though it hasn't changed since 2022 when it was released is illogical in my opinion (marketing is often stupid), but I'm not insisting anyone else should care. As I did say I wish Piaggio would have avoided year designations and used 'Mark' or 'Generation' to avoid confusion. eg Bitubo release new a front shock for what we call the "2023" and they say it's for the 2022 resulting in confusion (I saw confused people on the German forum misunderstanding this). I've also seen people open the MIA app and see 2022 and get confused because they are looking for 2023 which the believe is the correct name for the new bike. - ie more confusion. |
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I just picked up the 2024 GTV and it's finally all digital. I did also notice the HPE2 stuff at ScooterWest. Mostly it looks like I can find parts if it fits the '23 model.
And I think I need to use the '22 model in the Mia system (I'm still trying to connect my phone to it). So yeah, the years and engine designations are a bit weird right now. |
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Spiffy wrote: I just picked up the 2024 GTV and it's finally all digital. I did also notice the HPE2 stuff at ScooterWest. Mostly it looks like I can find parts if it fits the '23 model. And I think I need to use the '22 model in the Mia system (I'm still trying to connect my phone to it). So yeah, the years and engine designations are a bit weird right now. |
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: It is NOT a 2024 GTV… Presented at EICMA Nov. 22, released July 23 (long before summer holidays, Factory closed August 23)… Modelyear starts AFTER holidays. |
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: Robot refers to the Vespa Primavera Disney Mickey Mouse Edition by Vespa as the "Final Edition."... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uFtmvVGum34 It's frustrating that YouTube doesn't allow you to seek in their Shorts player. GermanGTSDriver wrote: It is NOT a 2024 GTV… Presented at EICMA Nov. 22, released July 23 (long before summer holidays, Factory closed August 23)… Modelyear starts AFTER holidays. |
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Chatting to my dealer he said the rumour is that the Primavera/Sprint will get full abs in 2025 and here in aus we may get that in 2024
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: It is NOT a 2024 GTV… Presented at EICMA Nov. 22, released July 23 (long before summer holidays, Factory closed August 23)… Modelyear starts AFTER holidays. Piaggio just updated their app and wrote "Added management for Vespa GTV Model Year 2023" |
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: It is NOT a 2024 GTV… Presented at EICMA Nov. 22, released July 23 (long before summer holidays, Factory closed August 23)… Modelyear starts AFTER holidays. But the paperwork all says 2024 and that's what the DMV registered it as. The VIN plate says 06/23 so you'd think it would be a 2023, but vehicle manufacturers have done weirder things. |
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Spiffy wrote: I did also notice the HPE2 stuff at ScooterWest. SteelBytes wrote: don't bother, he seems to believe in the hpe2 so ... |
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Last week Scooterwest updated the software on my 23.
It is now officially GTS300 hpe 2.1. I hope the DMV gets it right when they update my registration
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Spiffy wrote: You don't have to believe me. But the paperwork all says 2024 and that's what the DMV registered it as. The VIN plate says 06/23 so you'd think it would be a 2023, but vehicle manufacturers have done weirder things. |
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old as dirt wrote: DMV goes by the MCO when first titling the vehicle , so if piaggio had 2024 on the MCO its a 2024 |
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old as dirt wrote: DMV goes by the MCO when first titling the vehicle , so if piaggio had 2024 on the MCO its a 2024
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: You misjudge here that there is no MSO/MCO outside the US. The documents used in Europe do not include a model year (only a date of issue) |
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old as dirt wrote: I don't care what the EU does or calls them, the person in this post is from the USA so yes a MCO is valid. |
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SteelBytes wrote: Ah, so the two bikes that came off the same production line 5mins apart but shipped to different countries can have different years. Gotcha. This is the system that is used in the US, and properly licensed vehicles DO NOT deviate from this system just because someone in Australia is feeling extra pedantic. If the VIN plate says it's a model year 2024, then it's a model year 2024. I'd be very keen to have spiffy post the VIN (or a partial VIN) so we can decode it. * The trees in the US were, in fact, probably all cut down and turned into sawdust to make wood heating pellets for the EU in order to game the carbon system.
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jess wrote: If the VIN plate says it's a model year 2024, then it's a model year 2024. I'd be very keen to have spiffy post the VIN (or a partial VIN) so we can decode it. https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2646457#2646457 Edit: i always thought the vin had Manufacture year not Model year ... or are those the same thing to you? Because to me Model is when it was released (oct/22) |
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SteelBytes wrote: Spiffy said the vin plate said 06/23. But maybe I'm lost on some pleasant forest road SteelBytes wrote: Edit: i always thought the vin had Manufacture year not Model year ... or are those the same thing to you? |
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Just for the sake of comparison: When browsing local motorcycle/car - any vehicle with a VIN number - ads here, it is common to see something like this:
"vm 2014 (käyt. otto 08/2013)" This means that the manufacturer defines the model year (in the VIN plate too) to be 2014. In practice, this is relevant to spare parts compatibility etc. 08/2013 refers to the date this particular vehicle was first registered in Finland. This could be either before or after the 'model year', depending how the manufacturer defines it. With seasonal products, like motorcycles or snow mobiles, around here it is common that you buy a new vehicle well before the season starts, but it will be registered only just before you'll pick it up. This way the second hand buyer knows how long the vehicle has really been on the road. If I remember correctly, I bought my current bike in November. It was physically right there at the dealer's, VIN stating it to be the next year's model. It was first registered at the next April, just before I rode it away. |
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SteelBytes wrote: Spiffy said the vin plate said 06/23. But maybe I'm lost on some pleasant forest road https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2646457#2646457 Edit: i always thought the vin had Manufacture year not Model year ... or are those the same thing to you? Because to me Model is when it was released (oct/22) the way you EU and others are trying to say if it made in calander year its that year of scooter which is not necessary true. so in your scenario a scooter made in dec of 22 is a 22 scooter no matter if is a 23 model designation. vehicles are almost ALWAYS made way before the year of release model year designation. Look at your car manufactures right now they are selling 2024 vehicles on the lots, oh wait that can't be because we have actually got to 2024 yet. |
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wow here is a 2024 subaru in stock in the UK, that can't be as its not 2024 yethttps://www.subaruoflondon.com/en/new-inventory/subaru/outback/2024-subaru-outback-id30880408
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old as dirt wrote: the way you EU and others are trying to say if it made in calander year its that year of scooter which is not necessary true. so in your scenario a scooter made in dec of 22 is a 22 scooter no matter if is a 23 model designation. if it was made in the first half of the year like spiffy's is then calling it by the next year is too much of a stretch for my logical head. but my actual reason for my comments is I don't agree with the way in the US you make a new model number when nothing has changed (eg 2023 vs 2024). But if that is the way you guys choose to do it then so be it, it's your choice. But I'm not obliged to think it is a logical or great idea. ⚠️ Last edited by SteelBytes on UTC; edited 4 times
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