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Mystery F1 Driver seen testing a World Rally Car. So that's Bottas then

Talk of Palou going to Audi.

Sebastian Whelden wins again. Watch out for him.
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Then there's this. It will never happen, but I have to grudgingly admit that he has a point.

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Replace an average driver without a personality with an average driver with a personality.

Good for Marketing I'll admit.
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Word on the street is that Ferrari can't afford Adrian Newey, so he is signing with Aston Martin.
Ferrari used to spend around 500 million before the budget cap bought this down to 135(?) million. They've definitely got the funds if they want him.

I think Aston is the nicer package for Adrian though. Dan Fallows was the full time designer behind the 2021 Red Bull and the initial 2022 philosophy. He was seen as Adrians right hand man, but obviously needs a bit more training before he can stand on his own two feet, and so this solution works best for both of them.

Then they've got newest and best wind tunnel, newest facilities.

And the icing on the cake is Honda. Honda themselves said that McLaren viewed them as a bolt on part of the car and never really worked with them - whereas they attribute a lot of their recent success to how they collaborated with Adrian - working through technical solutions together.
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Which is ironic when you consider just how awful the Honda engine was when they were working with McLaren.

Funny how so many people are suggesting where Newey should go because it suits our desires.

If he actually walked away from the Sport, I believe F1 would improve.
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Which is ironic when you consider just how awful the Honda engine was when they were working with McLaren.
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Funny how so many people are suggesting where Newey should go because it suits our desires.

If he actually walked away from the Sport, I believe F1 would improve.
Yeah, but you also think that F1 should have spec cars with some bullshit NASCAR primitive attributes, so, uhhh... yeah.
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Yeah, because a Hybrid engine sounds so sexy doesn't it.

Bring back the V10's while you're at it. V8's first though.
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May need to go back to the original title of this thread after that race ROFL emoticon
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And Max looses by over 20 seconds + Lando gets fastest lap, Max missing his dodgy brake bias, Ooops.
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What a bizarre coincidence.
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I'll admit that today's race was pretty uneventful.

And Lando really needs to get some more practice starts in.
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70-point gap, 9 races left, it's Lando's if he can win all of them and get fastest lap Razz emoticon
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Seems... unlikely.
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Seems... unlikely.
a few people here and there said the same thing about Lewis getting another title when he went from McLaren to Mercedes.

and if crashstappen returns, well then it's a whoooole lot more interesting at that point.
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and if crashstappen returns, well then it's a whoooole lot more interesting at that point.
Fair.
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After Zandvoort. For the second time in a row, and second time in history, all top ten finishers in an F1 race have won an F1 race.
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After Zandvoort. For the second time in a row, and second time in history, all top ten finishers in an F1 race have won an F1 race.
That's pretty wild.
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Sargent is out.

Franco Colapinto is taking his place, presumably for the remainder of the season.
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well when you cost the team that much money in that short a time span and have zero points all season....you're not long for the career field.
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well when you cost the team that much money in that short a time span and have zero points all season....you're not long for the career field.
I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did, frankly. I think they should have replaced him at the start of this season -- he clearly wasn't making progress.

But then, I also am on record as believing that all current F1 drivers born in North America are undeserving of their seat.
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Yeah, whatever happened to Scott Speed ?
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Yeah, whatever happened to Scott Speed ?
I think they made the right choice when they replaced him with Seb.
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It was funnier when I said it in my head.
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It was funnier when I said it in my head.
I'm sure most things are.
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Sargent is out.
Don't worry Jess, crash value entertainment will come from Jack Doohan in 25.
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Don't worry Jess, crash value entertainment will come from Jack Doohan in 25.
It's not out of the question. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually stuffs it into the wall.
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So who replaces Perez ?
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So who replaces Perez ?
It's a fine question. I would think Liam Lawson, but Red Bull have made a point of stating that VCARB is officially their junior team, so it makes more sense for Lawson to go to VCARB.

So that means either that Ricciardo gets the boot, or Ricciardo gets promoted to the senior team. Which... yeah. I don't think he has earned.

So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Alternately, maybe Lawson to RB and Hadjar to VCARB?
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I agree with that.

Lawson to VCRAB and Ricciado to replace Perez for a year as a safe pair of hands until 2026 when everything changes.
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Lawson to VCRAB and Ricciado to replace Perez for a year as a safe pair of hands until 2026 when everything changes.
Plausible.
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I also see Red Bull having an entirely new line up in 2026 when Ford will be fully involved and therefore have more say so in who to sign.

Personally I think that Ford are going to mess this up.
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I also see Red Bull having an entirely new line up in 2026 when Ford will be fully involved and therefore have more say so in who to sign.

Personally I think that Ford are going to mess this up.
I think you grossly overestimate how much power Ford will actually have.
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I cast my mind back to the last time Ford got involved with F1.

Na, I still think they'll mess this up.
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Na, I still think they'll mess this up.
I think their capacity to mess it up will be limited to their partial role in the power unit, rather than any team politics. Which isn't to say they won't mess it up.
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Do you remember when the Horner incident first started to kicked off and Jim Farley got all upset because he felt left out of the loop ?

Exhibit A.
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Do you remember when the Horner incident first started to kicked off and Jim Farley got all upset because he felt left out of the loop ?
And he was promptly ignored.
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The Press didn't ignore him.

This is what Ford do.

They bring in all the Corporate's, either don't listen to the staff or sack them when they don't agree and then wonder why they don't achieve anything.

What they did to Stewart F1 is a brilliant example of Ford being Ford.

When they don't get the results they expected, they look at the receipts, decide it's not worth it and leave.
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Anyway, the Safety Car crashed at Monza which is really funny.
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The Press didn't ignore him.

This is what Ford do.

They bring in all the Corporate's, either don't listen to the staff or sack them when they don't agree and then wonder why they don't achieve anything.
I stand by my belief that Ford, at this juncture, lacks anything remotely resembling control over the Red Bull team. Given a standoff between Christian Horner and the Ford corporate weenies, I put my money on Christian Horner. Not because I like him or think he's upstanding -- quite the opposite. I think he's a ruthless bastard.

Ford doesn't stand a chance.
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