Modern Vespa

I'd expect Perez to climb from 11th up the grid because he's easily in the best car but right when it mattered he gets beaten again by a Ferrari.

It's similar to Bottas at Mercedes Benz except that Bottas could qualify.

If he was that good there wouldn't be controversy over whether they should retain him in 2024.

https://www.f1cfa.com/season.asp?t=&driver=Sergio%20Perez

sergio has locked 2nd in points, more wins than anyone besides max, more podiums than anyone besides max.

when was the last time a manufacture placed 1 and 2 in the championships?

And when was the last time that a team placed 1 and 2 in the championships with #2 being so completely outmatched?

There are lots of better drivers than Checo. The fact that he is in the most dominant car in the history of F1 and yet still a distant 2nd is a testament both to Red Bull Racing's technical team and to how completely mediocre a driver Checo is.

Last I heard, they are supposed to be moving to a more region-based schedule for exactly that reason. But I know there were people complaining about that because, Heaven forbid, it might force races to move off of long-held dates, like Monaco in the last weekend of May...

97 days and counting to the longest F1 season to date, Feb to Dec 24, YEY

While I'm excited for the races to come next year, and excited to see someone besides Max "I want all the points" Verstappen win a race for a change, I still think this coming season is too long.

Hang on in there Jess, Mercedes are on it,🤔 (new floor design) Personally would like to see George on the podiums No1 spot at some point in 24, also I think if Lewis doesn't get back to winning ways he will finish his contract and retire, also there are a few rookies to watch out for, they have all been scrapping further down the field as you are probably aware, that's while Max has been doing his Sunday jaunts

As someone from the netherlands I think it was the best season ever😁

I hold it as self-evident that a sport with a predetermined outcome is not actually a sport at all.

I've been watching F1 on YoutubeTV, from ESPN. Every race up until this one has had the usual commentators and F1 side-bar with timings etc. *This* race for some reason was 'kiddyfied' - with cartoon sidebar, and kids commentating. Un-bloody-watchable. I'll read about the race in tomorrow's papers.

I got that feed as well, but found the usual graphics and commentators and watched that one.

The kid's version was unwatchable as the graphics covered the race action.

The 14 year old describing the race was quite knowledgeable.

Bill

Where did you find that? All I could see was the ESPNU (U?) version. I couldn't fault their knowledge or explanations, but the squeaky, rapid childish voices just made me want to puke.

Dreadful graphics.

Mercedes is 2 years out from being on par with RB.
Lewis is making moves, TO THE BACK, ha ha ha. GOOOOOO George .

Until Adrain Newey retires I can't see it happening.

Fair comment👍, That will make Checo happy he can carry on doing the majority of overtakes on the straights under DRS

We will see, skill and experience like Fernando time will tell, the cars was crap 2/3rds of the season😉👍

Aaaawwww rub it in, but fair play

Can we have a moment of respect for the car that won more than 95% of the races this year. Or all but one. Or 21 out of 22.
The Belgian racing driver (with the Dutch father) utilised it to near perfection and won 19 races. 19 wins out of 22 races is a record that might never be broken.

Much respect for Adrien Newey. Max Verstappen's driving skills aren't really in question either. That said, Max has shown himself to be a world-class dick and I have a hard time respecting people like that, regardless of their talent.

I also would like to point out that having one team (and one driver) dominate the sport so completely is ultimately bad for the sport. Nobody wants to watch the same guy win over and over again effortlessly.

I would have used even less complementary description to describe his personality. But this forum is open to young people.
Maybe he'll grow up in the next few years. He has just recently made a donation to the charity "Wings for life".

In the last 5 years or so Hamilton has risen (in my opinion) to probably the greatest drivers ever in F1.
Hamilton supports charities like "Education Africa", "Great Ormond Street Hospital", "Harlem Children's Zone", among many others. He has also donated lot of his own money and time to "Mission 44", that aims to make racing more open to females and people of color. If Hamilton makes a bad start in a race he apologises to the team.
If Verstappen makes a bad start in a race he complains about the car.

The Red Bull results are partly down to Zero engine failures. The car has been tailored throughout the season to the faster driver in the team, at huge cost to the second driver.

The reality is that each year in F1 has almost always been dominated by one team, and usually one driver on that team.

Looking back since 1970 it was Lotus, McLaren or Ferrari with McLaren and Williams dominating the 1980's and 1990's.

Ferrari took over in the late 1990's with Michael Schumacher, then Renault for a two years with Alonso until Vettel and Red Bull dominated.

Mercedes with Hamilton (Nico Rossberg getting one) and now back to Red Bull.

My favorite years were Senna vs Prost with each race feeling like a heavyweight boxing championship.

I enjoyed 2021 with Hamilton vs Verstappen. I was happy to see the dominant Mercedes finally taken down (driver's championship anyway). Lewis got screwed in the finale, but I was pulling for Max.

The rules of the sport, where each team has to build their own chassis, and some their engines, will always have one team getting it better than everyone else. That dominant team usually has Adrian Newey on board.

This year, the combination of Newey and Max was the most dominant ever.

I am hoping that Ferrari can get closer next year and give Max some competition in the races.

Bill

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

For various definitions of "dominated". In 2018, Lewis Hamilton won 11 races — a lot, for sure. I would even argue that his 11 race wins were bad for the sport.

So what does that make Max's 19 race wins?

(And Mercedes dominating the constructors championship was also bad for the sport.) I expect the FIA and F1 management are aiming for a more level playing field, because they know that an uncompetitive field doesn't make for a compelling sport. The cost cap was intended toward that end. It didn't work, but that was clearly the intention. The cost cap notably does not apply to Adrian Newey or Max Verstappen. Maybe it should. Agreed!

Yeah, sponsored by a soft drinks company and not a vehicle manufacturer.

I'm not sure it matter where the money comes from.
And if Andretti gets into F1 you can be sure he won't take any money from Coke or Pepsi.

General Motors probably. Cadillac indirectly.

Andretti will be on the grid as terms have been agreed.

can you say alphaturi?

As someone from the Netherlands I think it was the crappiest season ever

(And I've watched them all since 1989)

So he didn't even beat his teammate the last two years in the second best car of the grid , he hasn't wone a race in two years

I'm not actually defending Hamilton here, but I would like to point out that your statement is factually incorrect. Lewis Hamilton was third in the driver standings for 2023. George Russell was 8th (citation).

true he has not won in 2 years but he did podium 6 times compared to russell only 2, so he has beat his team mate a few times this year.

I am not a hamilton fan BTW.

No one seems to be talking about the conversation that Christian Horner had with Lewis Hamilton about driving for Red Bull a little while ago.

I'm aware of the noise on this topic. I'm treating it as that — noise. And Christian being a childish ass.

Ass in motion.

Toto (and spouse) Wikipedia page is interesting.
The couple has so many irons in the fire, they must have tons of employees.

Not available in my country.

Any team with Adrian Newey will be hard to beat. The period of Mercedes dominance post-Vettel wasn't so much on Newey's design but the horrid Renault power plant (which still is underpowered compared to Honda, Mercedes and Ferrari). The problem for the rest of the field is that the current best engineering team and best driver are working together. The only other drivers on grid who match Verstappen are Hamilton and Alonso. Hamilton and Alonso are in demonstrably inferior cars. Verstappen's contemporaries -- Leclerc, Russell and Norris -- are very good, but still make race killing mistakes (or in the case of Leclerc are shackled to a team the still makes mechanical and strategy errors that are at least amusing for us fans.) Expect the status quo until the new engine regs hit, then we may see a change at the top.

Fully agree with what you say, but the last part are you saying what I'm thinking, the FIA want to go more like Indy car regs, one car for one the same car for everybody, so its down to the skill of the driver.😉👍

they already have that in F2, so why not then just eliminate F1 all together then?

Agreed, it would make no sense to remove the constructor aspect from F1.