Modern Vespa

I would like to put a P200E none electric engine in a 2013 LML star deluxe frame but i need help how to wire it up please.

The red cdi isn't connected. Blue and green wire what's goes to the cdi is taped together and the white and red wire are taped off. As you can see in the photo

You have a couple options here. If you have the complete electrical system from the LML motor, you could simply swap the stator and flywheel onto the P200. That's going to be the most "plug n' play" option.

Otherwise, the answer is going to be "it depends," based on which version of the P200 stator you have. Can you share a picture of the stator's wiring harness?

That's going to tell us a LOT about what your options are.

(And all of this may be academic if someone has already hacked up the original harness)

Blue connected to green under the left cowl probably means the LML was converted to a Ducati CDI. The green should run to under the right cowl. Just get a Ducati CDI and wire it as normal, using that green as the kill switch wire.

EDIT: OK, that's not entirely correct (rest of world LML Star is pretty different from US Genuine Stella). I still think it was converted to a Ducati CDI, but both the green and the blue should run to under the right cowl. Would need to see photos of what you have to guess how it all should connect up.

I have found where them wires go on the left side of the scooter. I had a lml years ago and I remember having a cdi from it and remembered where it went with them wires now. The blue and green what's connected and red and white wires go to the red cdi.

Also I found the wires what go to the stator. The yellow and black wire what gos to the stater had black tape on it. I cut the tape off and found the red, white and green wires.

I had a lml years ago and I remember putting in a p200e electric start engine . I think all I did is use the lml stator but I didn't use the lml flywheel

The Ducati CDI would be better I think I just need to work out how to wire it all.

The US LML "Stella" is definitely not like what's in that photo. The red CDI thing to the left of the battery is not part of the Stella.

I have two LML motors, both w/ Ducati CDIs. The wiring seems pretty straight forward at the CDI same for both, just match up the colors, white red and green wires to their color coded connectors and a fourth green going forward to the kill switch.

what do I do with the wires on the left side

I will have a look at the Stella's wiring diagram

That will keep you busy for awhile.... Seriously, if ever get another Stella (unlikely) I will remove the most of the wiring and set it up like a Vespa. Too many switches , too many faults built into the system.

The Stella diagram probably will confuse you the way it confused me. Better to use the attached Star diagram.

Later Stella's did have that red CDI on the left, but the wiring still was different from a Star. One difference is the green and white kill switch wire stays on the right for the Star and does not come over to the left the way it does on the Stella.

You can ignore the wires on the left. The red, white and green are cut on the right anyway. I can't figure out why the green and blue wires are connected on the left. The blue wire was the low voltage wire from the old CDI to the old external coil and would be surplus with a Ducati CDI. Looks like someone tried to repurpose it for something, but it's not getting any juice now because, again, the green wire was cut on the right.

The wires on the left blue and green whats conacted and the red and white whats was cut off and taped up and on the right side green, white and red what cut off and taped up leaving the black and yellow all dont make sence.
I think maybe someone had another type of engine in it not a vespa, lml or stella.
I think i might get the conecter for the wires on the left side and conect them to the red cdi and on the right put conecters on the wires whats been cut and use a lml stator i got from years ago on the p200e engine to see if that works. Its a none auto starter engine so it might not work.
Its would be good if i can use the blue cdi whats on the p200e engine but i cant get my head around still how to wiring it up.
It would be easy just to get a lml engine for it.

It is a little hard to see, but the stator in the photo you posted appears to be a "blue-black stator," which is what you want. Blue from the stator goes to yellow on the frame. Black from the stator goes to black on the frame. Red, white and green from the stator go to the CDI on the engine. I am a little unsure of the green and white wire on the LML frame, but I believe that can just run to the other green terminal on the CDI. Is there a junction box on your engine? As shown on the wiring diagram, normally these connections run through that. The cut wires on the LML frame are all surplus.

yes there's a junction box on the top of the o200e engine. So I don't use any of the wires on the left frame side what did go to the red cdi. I use the black and yellow right frame wires to go to the stator wires black and blue and use the green frame wire to the cdi on back of the engine and connect the stator wires white, red and green to the cdi what's on the back of the engine.

Yes, except I'm still uncertain how best to handle that green and white wire on the frame. It would be good if you could post photos of the CDI and the junction box.

when you say junction box do you mean the plastic box on top of the engine where the stator wires come out and where the frame wires connect to stator. And CDI you mean the blue one what's on the back of the p200e engine

CDI on the back of P200E engine

Left side wiring

Left side CDI

Yes to both.

photo's added above this message

I forgot to post this one

Photos and video are helpful.

1. The red, white, green and blue wires on the frame are not used. Just the yellow and black, which should be connected inside the junction box to the blue and black from the stator.

2. The P200 engine already has a blue-black stator. Why the new one?

3. If you use the new stator, wiring to the junction box is the same as the old one.

4. There should be a green/white wire running from the key switch to the area under the right cowl. I "think" that is needed to keep key switch functionaity. I "think" you can do that simply by extending the green/white wire to the unused green terminal on the CDI.

sorry I should of pointed it out the stator what's in the video on the floor of the scooter is a old lml one. The p200 has gone one in it witch I put a photo of on here. I was using it to show what I was thinking.

Agreed the photos help.

With Kowalski's instructions, you should have both ignition and lights/horn. The Green/White (G/W) wire connects to the second green terminal on the CDI to provide the kill switch/key switch cutoff.

I'm assuming you don't want to try to fish the G/W out of the harness under the tank, so on the stock Stella harness, the G/W wire runs to the clutch side where the original CDI sat. You can just borrow (okay...steal ) the now-unused green wire from the CDI and use that to bridge your way across, or run a fresh wire.

Look at the crudely modified Stella wiring diagram if you want a visual version of the above paragraph.

Mine is a lml star deluxe

. I don't mind fishing wires out the tank is out so it will be an easy job.

This is one of the differences between the Star and the Stella. On the Star, the green/white wire stays on the right. It does not come over to the left the way it does on the Stella.

Agreed. The model I owned had a kill switch that worked when you did not want it too, along with another switch that let the CDI know when you were disengaging the clutch for electric starting I guess. Both of these were a nuisance, but the scoot itself was a nuisance. I did like the font disc brake, though.