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znomit wrote:
I think
"Congradulations on your sucessful pishing indercept. Click here for your free chocolate phish" would catch about a third of people.

my browser is broken. I keep clicking for the chocolate but nothing is happening? maybe I need to send you some money bitcoins to cover bank fees or postage?
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my browser is broken. I keep clicking for the chocolate but nothing is happening? maybe I need to send you some money bitcoins to cover bank fees or postage?
Very sorry my esteemed friend. If you would kindly click the link again we can supply the requested fish.
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This is "spend 2k$ and as many hours on a 3D printer" territory for sure.

Otherwise could you make these work?
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You have just turned my frown upside down.
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My dog groomer (a national pet chain that offers smart pet items has added a $10 brush fee that "may be waived by the groomer" based on the condition of your animal. Ok, fair enough - I keep my critters pretty well brushed out, so should get it waived.

Asked the groomer about it and was told "we are not allowed to waive the fee - you'll have to complain to corporate".

Just tell me you've increased prices - you don't have to trick us every time.
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People who can't (or perhaps won't) learn.

I work in cyber security. It's my job to keep the bad guys out of my hospital's network. As part of that we provide continuous education on the latest scams, how to recognize a phishing email, or a bad URL, all the basics. We test people, and re-train if they don't get it. We've also got automated systems to keep most of the bad stuff out to begin with.

Today I see a phishing message has got through our filters, and of the 400 employees who got the message, 6 tried to click the link (to a fake version of a major Canadian telco's website) before the security software started to pull the message out of people's in-box. A limitation of the software is that it can't pull a message you've already opened, so those 6 people still have it. Each of them got an error message when they clicked the bad link, explaining that it was a phishing site and had been blocked for their safety. Five of them were OK with that.

Contestant number six calls to complain about the blocked site. I explained why it was blocked. I showed him how he should have recognized that the site was faked (he passed his test on this just four weeks ago), I showed him how he should have recognized the email was fake (same test, same time), I referenced the specific training material he'd seen to teach him that, I told him directly that the link would only take him to a fake login page to steal his username and password, and I pointed him to the real web-site if he thought he needed to go to it.

Some of this stuff is pretty hard to catch, I've had one or two fool me as well, but when the expert is on your screen and in your headset showing you exactly where the tells are, you'd believe him, right?

This guys response; "the email says I should use their link".

I'm convinced that some people are too stupid to be let out of their own homes unsupervised.

This thread is surprisingly therapeutic. Thank-you for letting me vent.
The IT department at the school district I work for does regular training on cybersecurity, and occasionally sends out test emails. If enough people in any one department fail the test, the entire department has to be retrained.

One time, about a week after a district-wide cybersecurity training, an email from IT went out telling us to "claim our account". Except, it didn't come directly from IT, but rather from "noreply{at}rapididentity{dot}com". NO ONE clicked through. Even our CFO refused, and wouldn't do it until the head of IT was physically in her office to watch her click it. IT got all pissy because they were setting up this new login portal to simplify things for the users, but the users weren't claiming their accounts. They had to send out another email from their account telling everyone that emails from that address were safe.

They taught us well.

People still screw it up, though.
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So, I need a new lower dish rack for my dishwasher. It's about 13 years old now, and the plastic-coated wire bits are starting to rust. At least one or two upright "peg" dividers have broken off already. A new dish rack is about $120.

But that's not what's pissing me off.

The new dish rack doesn't come with wheels, or any of the other bits that you would think would be part of the dish rack. But again, that's not what's pissing me off today.

What is pissing me off is that the new wheels for this particular dish rack cost...

Seventeen Dollars and sixty-nine cents.

APIECE!

And I need eight of them. Which comes to a grand total of (checks abacus) a jazillion dollars!

Or it might as well be a jazillion dollars. Because I'm not spending that kind of loot on plastic wheels.

FFS.

Fucking gouging motherfuckers.
Ran into a similar issue with my MIL's stovetop knobs.

The manufacturer wanted over $40 per knob for OEM replacements, and was going to take over a week to ship. I found them on Amazon for about $5 each, and had them next day.
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They taught us well.

People still screw it up, though.
I've run into similar situations, where things I needed people to do contradicted the training I've provided. It's a tough spot, you've got to communicate it very well ahead of time, make sure people know how the recognize your link from a fake one, and still expect a lot of resistance.

From a security perspective though, a very suspicious user body is a good problem to have. Sounds like you and your cyber security team have done a good job.
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Facepalm emoticon sucks to be me

Someone hit my Vespa when I had it parked on the street. Haven't look to see if it is just plastic yet. I am lucky I had it on the center stand so it didn't tip.
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Grrrrrr ...

No note or anything, I'm sure. Have you called your insurance?
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Facepalm emoticon sucks to be me

Someone hit my Vespa when I had it parked on the street. Haven't look to see if it is just plastic yet. I am lucky I had it on the center stand so it didn't tip.
Hopefully you'll be able to just put it back together. Can't tell in the pics if there are any scratches. That's one of my top pet peeves. 😠
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Loosen the screws to the body panels and tug them straight.
Retighten and I believe you are good to go...


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unbeknownst to me, my wife decided to go grab something out of my car (which contained--at the time--my vespa keychain with the top box key, scooter fob, and chain lock key) and for reasons known only to her which apparently made sense at the time, didn't lock the car when she was finished.

naturally someone made hay while the sun--wasn't shining, as it were--and got into the car, rifled through the glove box, and now my keys are missing.

i've half a mind to just push the scoot in front of my car so it's easier for them to take it whenever the mood strikes, since every dealer around here from philly down to richmond is saying they're "not allowed" to order new fobs.
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every dealer around here from philly down to richmond is saying they're "not allowed" to order new fobs.
That would piss me off more than the theft of the keys. Do the dealers think that fobs never get lost? destroyed by water? stolen? I expect they present this as a theft deterrent, but surely a customer with ownership in hand should be able to order a replacement part, even a key fob. We lost the fob to our car last year when our son borrowed the car to visit a friends cottage, then fell off a paddle board in 60 feet of water. When he climbed back on the board, the key fob was useless. Without the ability to get a replacement that would have been a very expensive paddle.
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That would piss me off more than the theft of the keys. Do the dealers think that fobs never get lost? destroyed by water? stolen? I expect they present this as a theft deterrent, but surely a customer with ownership in hand should be able to order a replacement part, even a key fob. We lost the fob to our car last year when our son borrowed the car to visit a friends cottage, then fell off a paddle board in 60 feet of water. When he climbed back on the board, the key fob was useless. Without the ability to get a replacement that would have been a very expensive paddle.
They make you sign a disclaimer upon purchase acknowledging that the chances of getting a new "large" fob are slim, while the microscopic (by comparison--it's about the size of a microSD card) "master fob" is 100% irreplaceable.

In other words if anything is lost/stolen, you're essentially SOL if they're even 3% lazy.
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unbeknownst to me, my wife
Make sure the scooter goes to her in the divorce settlement.
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nah she can have this POS house, i'm moving to colorado. maryland is horse.....well you know.
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Used the mini fob to ride in today.

Shouldn't have.
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Ouch.

Are you all right Buddy ?
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Alive.

Knee is pretty banged up. No breaks. Lots of pain.
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More details needed like how did it happen ?

Sorry Mate.
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Oh shit. Get that knee seen to ASAP...
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Thanks fellas. Got seen already, military facilities arent renowned for the most thorough. No breaks so "go home and stay off it, here's 800mg of motrin" heh.

A van crossed three lanes right in front of me, in fairness the sun was directly in his mirror so while it doesn't excuse it, at least i can empathize as at 44 I've been there once or twice myself. He stopped and immediately owned up, apologized profusely, so i hold no grudge..not many in MD would do that these days so i'm not keen on getting him fired or anything over it. Icm ok, scoot will get fixed.

It does hurt tho.
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You might want to get some ice on that knee.

Thanks for the update.
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Cosmo4me wrote:
Facepalm emoticon sucks to be me

Someone hit my Vespa when I had it parked on the street. Haven't look to see if it is just plastic yet. I am lucky I had it on the center stand so it didn't tip.
Hoping it's just that plastic bit out of place. It's easy to pop off (and hopefully back on again!) so pretty superficial. Keep us posted!
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Used the mini fob to ride in today.

Shouldn't have.
Well, crap. From bad to worse. Crying or Very sad emoticon Heal quickly.
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Doesn't sound like you're going to have a good weekend. I really hope your knee is OK. Scoots can always get fixed or replaced but you're health is the important thing. Truly bummed this happened to you.
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Used the mini fob to ride in today.

Shouldn't have.
NOOO!

Hope it's nothing serious. Knees are tricky. Stay on top of it.
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armedferret wrote:
Used the mini fob to ride in today.

Shouldn't have.
Oh, suck! Sorry to hear it.
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Sorry to hear that! Take care of yourself.
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armedferret wrote:
Alive.
Great News!
armedferret wrote:
Knee is pretty banged up. No breaks. Lots of pain.
Bad News! (based on my experience of coming off a Vespa 90 and landing on my knee over 40 years ago, and still suffering with it now!
armedferret wrote:
Alive.
But again, this is the main thing! Clap emoticon
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nah she can have this POS house, i'm moving to colorado. maryland is horse.....well you know.
Looks like you've found a more creative solution to getting a new fob. Well done lad.
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Ah damn, ferret... that sucks, no dancing around it. Glad it wasn't worse. Hope the knee heels up quickly with no long-term BS and that sorting the scoot isn't drawn out and tedious.

Here's to getting back on the road as soon as you can/want.
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Bugger! 💩 Get that knee sorted, then the scoot. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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Thanks all. I'll be running it to Chesapeake later this week when I'm feeling a little better to see about a "quick" (yeah i know lol) sand/skim coat/repaint on the steel. Already found the buggered plastic trim piece's replacement on SW as well as the chrome. The fender I'll just put a sticker on since it doesnt rust
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armedferret wrote:
Thanks all. I'll be running it to Chesapeake later this week when I'm feeling a little better to see about a "quick" (yeah i know lol) sand/skim coat/repaint on the steel. Already found the buggered plastic trim piece's replacement on SW as well as the chrome. The fender I'll just put a sticker on since it doesnt rust
You'll be doing smokey burnouts and wheelies in no time! I like your locked box on the rear rack.😉
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So sorry this happened to you. Heal fast.
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I was riding behind a guy who was riding one of those new fangled BMW R1300 GS's the other day and the sound from the gearbox was awful.

Whether it was going up or down the box it was making this awful "clack" sound each time it changed.

The rider looked competent but the bike sounded like a dump truck.
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