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Speaking of computer mice and Apple, it pisses me off that they started "Natural Scrolling" with their mice, and other PC manufacturers have followed suit.

I like scrolling down and having the page go up. It makes sense to me on a computer. Yes, I know my iPhone and iPad don't work that way, but I'm using my finger to scroll/navigate on them, so it makes sense with them.

One of the first things I do on a computer now is turn off Natural Scrolling.
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One of the first things I do on a computer now is turn off Natural Scrolling.
Same here.
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Jess - thanks for the info on the keyboard and mouse. I always wondered why the keyboard is so thin. I don't like that it's so thin. Somewhere between a PC keyboard and this one would be my ideal.

I also liked reading about the Magic Mouse battery.
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Speaking of computer mice and Apple, it pisses me off that they started "Natural Scrolling" with their mice, and other PC manufacturers have followed suit.

I like scrolling down and having the page go up. It makes sense to me on a computer. Yes, I know my iPhone and iPad don't work that way, but I'm using my finger to scroll/navigate on them, so it makes sense with them.

One of the first things I do on a computer now is turn off Natural Scrolling.
First I've heard of this.

There's nothing natural about anything on computers. It's all artificial.
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First I've heard of this.

There's nothing natural about anything on computers. It's all artificial.
As best as I can describe it (after looking into it a bit), Natural scrolling can be thought of as you're moving the "page" around on the screen. So when you scroll up, the page is moving up. It works well with smartphones and tablets, because we're using our fingers to manipulate the page.

"Reverse Scrolling" is what PCs have always used (as far as I know). It can be thought of as you're controlling the scroll bar on the side of the window/screen.

I'm sure that the main cause of my ire is due to the fact that I've been using reverse scrolling since the dawn of the computer mouse, and the new method is annoying and new and needs to get off my lawn.
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Speaking of computer mice and Apple, it pisses me off that they started "Natural Scrolling" with their mice, and other PC manufacturers have followed suit.

I like scrolling down and having the page go up. It makes sense to me on a computer. Yes, I know my iPhone and iPad don't work that way, but I'm using my finger to scroll/navigate on them, so it makes sense with them.

One of the first things I do on a computer now is turn off Natural Scrolling.
I used to do the same thing. And it used to piss me off. Because I used so many different machines on a day-to-day basis, though -- many of them with a fresh OS install, as was necessary in my job -- I found myself constantly battling natural scroll, and needing to turn it off. Or needing to use someone else's machine (e.g. QA showing me a bug) where I couldn't change it.

And so I accepted it. I started using natural scroll. And it didn't take me long to adapt to it, either. Like, less than a day.

Now I never have to battle it, it's always set to what I'm expecting, and I'm happier (or at least less frustrated) as a result.

I'm not telling you to switch. But I can tell you that I'm happier that I switched, for all the same reasons that you're pissed off.

p.s. They're never going back.
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Popcorn ceilings, and the quick and easy way to get rid of them with drywall mud. It's not quick, nor easy, gravity is not my friend, and three five gallon buckets of drywall mud is a lot of drywall mud for a very small room. And you can still see the popcorn texture in places. I should have masked up and scraped the stuff off. That's about a two hour job.
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Popcorn ceilings, and the quick and easy way to get rid of them with drywall mud. It's not quick, nor easy, gravity is not my friend, and three five gallon buckets of drywall mud is a lot of drywall mud for a very small room. And you can still see the popcorn texture in places. I should have masked up and scraped the stuff off. That's about a two hour job.
Our house had Artex (or whatever the US name is - dreadful stuff full of asbestos) swirled all over the ceilings. It would have been a huge major expense to have removed, involving inspectors, hazmat suits and Gawd knows what. The cheapest and quickest answer was to have a second layer of drywall installed over it.
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Popcorn ceilings, and the quick and easy way to get rid of them with drywall mud. It's not quick, nor easy, gravity is not my friend, and three five gallon buckets of drywall mud is a lot of drywall mud for a very small room. And you can still see the popcorn texture in places. I should have masked up and scraped the stuff off. That's about a two hour job.
We scrapped all the popcorn ceilings off on the main floor of our house. Yes, it was a two hour job. With three hours of prep and three hours of cleanup. Absolutely worth doing though, the final product looks much better.
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We scrapped all the popcorn ceilings off on the main floor of our house. Yes, it was a two hour job. With three hours of prep and three hours of cleanup. Absolutely worth doing though, the final product looks much better.
We've only bought one house (out of four) with popcorn ceilings. We made removal a condition of the sale.
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One of the jobs I had in Florida was construction / remodel. put in some of those popcorn ceilings. What a horrible, horrible job. I hat them to this day.
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Would that be a hardhat or a helmet?
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I used to do the same thing. And it used to piss me off. Because I used so many different machines on a day-to-day basis, though -- many of them with a fresh OS install, as was necessary in my job -- I found myself constantly battling natural scroll, and needing to turn it off. Or needing to use someone else's machine (e.g. QA showing me a bug) where I couldn't change it.

And so I accepted it. I started using natural scroll. And it didn't take me long to adapt to it, either. Like, less than a day.

Now I never have to battle it, it's always set to what I'm expecting, and I'm happier (or at least less frustrated) as a result.

I'm not telling you to switch. But I can tell you that I'm happier that I switched, for all the same reasons that you're pissed off.

p.s. They're never going back.
Oh, I know if I were to completely switch I'd adapt and be fine.

The thing is, I have a desktop PC (HP EliteOne) with a Logitech mouse, and the MacBook Pro (with Magic Mouse). I have both set up with reverse scrolling. I haven't checked to see if the HP can work with Natural Scrolling or not.

But I also use other computers at work.

There are five Fiery CommandWorkstations for our color printers. Each of them is a PC with reverse scrolling.

There's the job tracking computer (HP with reverse scrolling).

Then there's the computer that controls the Mutoh large format printer and Graftek large format cutter. It's a Dell laptop with Natural Scrolling.

My wife has her iMac setup with Natural Scrolling. I had to use it to do our taxes on Sunday, and I had to use it last night to download a software update for the infotainment system on my truck (couldn't do it at work because IT blocks USB ports from accessing data devices).

So the majority of the computers I use are set up with reverse scrolling.

I'll adapt, it's just frustrating to expect one setup, and discover the other.

I suppose that eventually all computers will go to Natural Scrolling, and it'll be a non-issue. But for now, it still pisses me off.
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This ceiling stuff goes in and out of style over long periods of time. When I had my house built 33 years ago everything was popcorn/textured celings.

Also, all the beautiful oak cabinets in kitchens are being thrown out for the new white/Gray/Black look.

I will let the next owner of my house change it to the disco dance of the day. All I am going to do is have the wood floors refinished, install new carpet and have the walls all repainted the same old white.

Stuck in the past.

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So the majority of the computers I use are set up with reverse scrolling.
Understood.
monogodo wrote:
I'll adapt, it's just frustrating to expect one setup, and discover the other.
Yes, absolutely frustrating.
monogodo wrote:
I suppose that eventually all computers will go to Natural Scrolling, and it'll be a non-issue. But for now, it still pisses me off.
I think that the old ("un-natural") scroll direction was incorrectly taken from the precedent of keyboard navigation -- page up and page down, specifically, but also the arrow keys. When you are using keyboard navigation, what you are manipulating is the viewport -- the frame around the part of the underlying page that you are looking at. As you move the keyboard insertion cursor down, you have to move the viewport down so that you can see where you are.

Whoever first mapped the scroll wheel to the viewport (rather than the underlying page) probably did so without realizing they were following a convention that was backwards by necessity. But the keyboard insertion cursor is irrelevant when scrolling with a mouse. So is the mouse cursor, for that matter. And by mapping the scroll wheel to the viewport, they committed the original sin, creating this entire mess.

When touch interfaces came along, it was instantly apparent that manipulating the viewport made no sense -- what was being manipulated was the underlying page through a stationary viewport. And thus, the original sin was recognized, and eventually corrected.
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Found a local guy whose prepared to take on the exhaust header issues and the broken stud around the alternator.

He knows that it's going to be an utter pain in the arse but he seems to have the right attitude and ability to take it on.

This cheers me up.

The blue bike in the workshop is a Lowrider with a Radial engine in it. Just sayin.
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Found a local guy whose prepared to take on the exhaust header issues and the broken stud around the alternator.

He knows that it's going to be an utter pain in the arse but he seems to have the right attitude and ability to take it on.

This cheers me up.


In that case shouldn't this post be in the "other thread" Facepalm emoticon
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Yeah you could be right but the bike carries around a cloud of inevitability about it so in many ways it does piss me off but I'm obliged to forgive it.

Related to the bike's Legacy the Independent Tech who worked on it previously has two hernias, prostate cancer and a heart condition so I'm leaving him well alone until he fully heals.

Oh, just as I was pulling up at this new place a BMW K1300 was being dropped off for repair with a blown driveshaft output seal.

Who'd have thought it ?
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As Beldar Conehead would have said...

'NOT ACCEPTABLE'!!!!
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I just realized that the One Moto Show starts today. Damnit!
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The internet erroneously thinks I'm old and stupid and I've had just about enough! This ad popped up on some page I was looking at and it actually made me laugh so I guess it should be "cheering me up" but I got post it somewhere, so here it is.
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The internet erroneously thinks I'm old and stupid and I've had just about enough! This ad popped up on some page I was looking at and it actually made me laugh so I guess it should be "cheering me up" but I got post it somewhere, so here it is.
That looks legit..

Maybe under "weird shit?"

I'll let you know how second career is going. Razz emoticon
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The internet erroneously thinks I'm old and stupid and I've had just about enough!
You're only disputing your age?

I got asked if I wanted a senior citizen ticket at the cinema the other day.
It was in Hong Kong so I cut the lady some slack.

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You're only disputing your age?

I got asked if I wanted a senior citizen ticket at the cinema the other day.
It was in Hong Kong so I cut the lady some slack.

Strokes beard. Looks about for scissors.
My first 'mistaken for a senior citizen' incident was at a hockey game last year

I thought they were cracking a joke!

I have since learnt how to use this Super Power and have managed to save enough on 'regular' entrance fees to buy some new comfy slippers
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My first 'mistaken for a senior citizen' incident was at a hockey game last year

I thought they were cracking a joke!

I have since learnt how to use this Super Power and have managed to save enough on 'regular' entrance fees to buy some new comfy slippers
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jRvd2wOADJ4
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thanks Jess!

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I've suspected for a while that we have squirrels living in the attics of our utility room.

Today I got confirmation.

I was getting a clean work shirt from the laundry and heard some scrambling/scratching/running noises coming from the attic closest to the garage. It traveled across the attic and to the shelf that is between garage side attic and the house side attic. I looked up and saw a squirrel staring back at me. I then heard a noise to my right and when I looked saw the second squirrel. As soon as I moved, they scrambled back to the garage side.

We have lots of things we need to do to rectify this (contact pest control service, contact contractor to replace siding/patch access holes, etc.), but with the wife not working, it's become a lower priority than it should.

On they bright side, they were cute.
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That feels familiar. I still jump when I see the grey bearded old guy looking back at me in store windows.

I got my first seniors discount at 42. The cashier gave told me my total, and I didn't quite hear her, so I leaned in and said "a little louder please?". She apologized, hit a couple more keys and then gave me what I was fairly certain was a different number than before. On the way out I glanced at the receipt and saw the add on line "15% Seniors and Students discount". Stroking my salt and pepper beard I thought "Cool, I can still pass for a student!"
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My nephew just turned 32 and I told him, "Cool, now we're the same age because that's where I stopped."
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I stopped at 35, because that's when my mother said, "Congratulations! This is the last year I tell anybody how old you are!"
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All of the mirrors in my house are haunted! Every time I look in one, some old geezer is looking out at me.
Could use some advice to get rid of this specter!
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