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Going back to the Neurosurgeon today. 6 weeks of PT helped a little, but not much. Probably going to get a MRI on the lower back to find out where all the sciatica pain in both my hips and legs are originating. If surgery happens, this will be my third in the same area, but the last one lasted almost 9 years. Just tired of constant pain, but I'm still above ground and walking around, so I'm thankful for that.
I guess this is getting repetitive, but I feel this pain too. I'm currently battling sciatica, on top of healing from an unrelated surgery. It's not fun.
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Going back to the Neurosurgeon today.
Good luck with that. Sounds like things are a bit complicated down there. Sounds like a pretty poor conservative response, so on to the next step. At some point it's whatever it takes....
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Health, health.

Monday night, fell on the ceramic floor in my bathroom and broke two ribs. As many of you know, who have broke ribs, pain off the chart. All you can do is let them heal. I had to pull out of Dave L's Wisconscoot ride next week. Damn!

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Monday night, fell on the ceramic floor in my bathroom and broke two ribs. As many of you know, who have broke ribs, pain off the chart. All you can do is let them heal. I had to pull out of Dave L's Wisconscoot ride next week. Damn!
Oh, that's awful news! Genuinely sorry to hear this. Hope you heal well and get some relief from the pain soon.
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Health, health.

Monday night, fell on the ceramic floor in my bathroom and broke two ribs. As many of you know, who have broke ribs, pain off the chart. All you can do is let them heal. I had to pull out of Dave L's Wisconscoot ride next week. Damn!

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Bob, So sorry to hear about the fall! Hope it heals soon enough to get some riding in this summer. Maybe the rain will let up by the time the ribs heal!
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Bob, I broke 4 ribs surfing years ago along with my pelvis. I'm glad it happened when I was young, I can't imagine what it would be like now. Just keep those ribs wrapped up tight, try not to cough, or laugh and just take it easy.
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Getting a MRI in a couple weeks to find out what is going on, until then I'll just keep doing the PT. Could be worse.
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I had to pull out of Dave L's Wisconscoot ride next week. Damn!
No worries, Bob, I have a plan involving duct tape and paint stirrers....see ya next week!



Seriously, pretty much sucks regardless of timing. Hope your pain is settling a bit at least...
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I had a talk with my favourite Tech yesterday about Honda Spacey's

1st thing that appeared in Instagram feed this morning ?

Yup, you've guessed it.
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What's pissing me off right now is the fact that I didn't note the odometer reading when I put a gallon of gas into the scooter. So I have no idea how much is in it now, and when it eventually runs low or out I'll have no idea what kind of fuel consumption I'm getting. I don't remember what it was doing the last time I had it running, well over 10 years ago.

Oh well. I'll figure it out eventually.
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I had a talk with my favourite Tech yesterday about Honda Spacey's

1st thing that appeared in Instagram feed this morning ?

Yup, you've guessed it.
Kevin?
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Got on Gabriella yesterday to go to work. On the road firstly noticed the engine check light on, then the ABS then the ASR note. Scooter driving normally, didn't test the ABS or ASR but rang the scooter shop and they picked it up and checked it out. It had a recorded front speed sensor fault but no current faults. They zeroed the fault and test rode it successfully.
Took her out for our Club run today and same indicators. After lunch the engine check light remained on and nothing else.
New front speed sensor in her immediate future methinks.
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Health, health.

Monday night, fell on the ceramic floor in my bathroom and broke two ribs. As many of you know, who have broke ribs, pain off the chart. All you can do is let them heal. I had to pull out of Dave L's Wisconscoot ride next week. Damn!

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I guess this is getting repetitive, but I feel this pain too. I'm currently battling sciatica, on top of healing from an unrelated surgery. It's not fun.
Jess, I have a degenerative lower back. I spent 6 months laying on my belly. Laid on the floor for 6 months. Up till then, I was waking up with burning and crippling pain in my lower back and right down my leg. I grabbed my pillow and screamed in it until it the pain left. That kind of pain that you can't go back to sleep on. Insert a joke there. It took me that long to be without pain. I lift much more carefully now. During that time healing, I never thought I was going to be able to be normal again. Boy, was I wrong. The Dr said I could get disability if I took all the required PT sessions for a few weeks. I couldn't do it. Not that I begrudge those that do. I'm 51. Maybe it is in the cards, but not yet.
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Got on Gabriella yesterday to go to work. On the road firstly noticed the engine check light on, then the ABS then the ASR note. Scooter driving normally, didn't test the ABS or ASR but rang the scooter shop and they picked it up and checked it out. It had a recorded front speed sensor fault but no current faults. They zeroed the fault and test rode it successfully.
Took her out for our Club run today and same indicators. After lunch the engine check light remained on and nothing else.
New front speed sensor in her immediate future methinks.
I really miss vehicles an owner can work on. My last was a '90 Jeep Cherokee 4x4. You could actually pop the hood and work around the engine. I didn't have to take out stuff for an hour, then after the fix, spend at least that hour putting it back together.

I have become complacent as far as that goes. And I can't blame the manufacturers with their proprietary nonsense. WE asked for this. We were willing to pay for comfort. There was a demand. I'm not sure if we can get it back.
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We didn't ask for this. They made it and then we chose to buy it.

You don't have to buy it. Buy something else.
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I really miss vehicles an owner can work on. My last was a '90 Jeep Cherokee 4x4. You could actually pop the hood and work around the engine. I didn't have to take out stuff for an hour, then after the fix, spend at least that hour putting it back together.
I feel the same. With my old two-strokes almost anything could happen on a ride, and one could do a roadside fix and still get home. The only tool you need with modern scooters is your phone.

Fiddling with and tweaking my scooters was a hobby that is no more. There is so little one can do with the modern ones, and it is all so difficult.
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We didn't ask for this. They made it and then we chose to buy it.

You don't have to buy it. Buy something else.
We did, though. We asked for it. We gave it a big thumbs up with our money. I'm not scolding others any more than I am scolding myself.

It's hard to keep grounded nowadays. The things I do, which may or may not work for others, is plant things. I like to get my hands in the dirt. I also take care of animals. I cook and love to see people eat the food I made for them. I like to pass a joint around the campfire and look at the stars.

Bill, you have a wicked sarcastic way about you, but it belies real truths that you have. Nobody is going to listen to a smartass give advice. Ask me how I know.
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I feel the same. With my old two-strokes almost anything could happen on a ride, and one could do a roadside fix and still get home. The only tool you need with modern scooters is your phone.

Fiddling with and tweaking my scooters was a hobby that is no more. There is so little one can do with the modern ones, and it is all so difficult.
It's so impersonal now. You have to bring your vehicle to some idiot so he can plug his computer into it just to tell you a sensor is fucked.

On another old man rant, there are no more 3rd places. There are no more watering holes where people hang out. You have work, grocery store, and back home now. It's a travesty.
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Oh absolutely. After spending 15 in the car industry I've shared advice with anyone whose asked for it but then I've watched them totally ignore everything I said.

You can buy what you want but you can't suggest that the ignorant asked for something when they weren't given a choice.

The choice left is not to buy.

Buy something used and run it into the ground.
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Oh absolutely. After spending 15 in the car industry I've shared advice with anyone whose asked for it but then I've watched them totally ignore everything I said.

You can buy what you want but you can't suggest that the ignorant asked for something when they weren't given a choice.

The choice left is not to buy.

Buy something used and run it into the ground.
That isn't a viable choice for the majority. I will forever be salty that Toyota doesn't sell the simple Hilux 4WD manual here.
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Yeah the idiot plugging a PC into your car is probably a Master Tech that the Dealership has spent thousands of Dollars training as he has hundreds of certificates in Vehicle ECU Diagnostics plus years of experience just so he can tell you that Cylinder No3 is running lean in about 5 minutes.

Vinnie's Auto's will spend all day looking for the same issue because he doesn't have the investment for an OEM PC or for that matter have the Manufacturer's backing. Half an hour ago he was working on a Kia.

You pays your money and you takes your choice so if you don't want a new car with a Warranty give Vinnie your money.
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When I took my 2023 GTS in for its first service I asked them to look at the diagnostics because the engine warning light was coming on at intervals. They told me the Malossi lambda emulator was giving the ECU incorrect readings. So I removed the emulator and it made no difference. The light comes on after a hard ride - lots of high speed - and stays on for a day or two, emulator in or out. They just blamed the one thing that wasn't standard.

This was at the Vespa dealership where I bought the scooter. Master Tech?
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When I took my 2023 GTS in for its first service I asked them to look at the diagnostics because the engine warning light was coming on at intervals. They told me the Malossi lambda emulator was giving the ECU incorrect readings. So I removed the emulator and it made no difference. The light comes on after a hard ride - lots of high speed - and stays on for a day or two, emulator in or out. They just blamed the one thing that wasn't standard.

This was at the Vespa dealership where I bought the scooter. Master Tech?
Vespa specialist or a motorcycle store that sells a couple of vespas on the side?

And what was the code?
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If I'm honest I'd blame the thing that wasn't standard.

Did the light come on before you changed the non standard part ?
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If I'm honest I'd blame the thing that wasn't standard.
Did the light come on before you changed the non standard part ?
Really? I think if you were honest you would examine the error code and not just blame something because it was not standard. I'm not even sure they looked at the error code log.

The Lambda Emulator was about the first mod I did to this scooter, before it was run in, so I hadn't done any high-speed riding yet.* But I got the same error a couple of times after removing it. Happens once a month or so, when I use the motorway and not just suburban/rural roads.

In answer to Steelbytes, the shop was Scooter Central, probably the biggest Vespa shop in Sydney.

*I can't wait for a warrantee period to expire. I just compulsively have to fiddle and tweak. In the first week I took up the slack in the throttle cable, removed the side reflectors, redesigned the rear number plate and reflector and ordered new mirrors and Bitubo shocks.
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So it was OK until you modified it while it was still under warranty and then it went wrong.

I'd suggest that you wouldn't have to look at the error code if a non OEM part had been replaced as it pretty much narrows down what the problem could be.

Just sayin.
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If I'm honest I'd blame the thing that wasn't standard.
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Really? I think if you were honest you would examine the error code and not just blame something because it was not standard. I'm not even sure they looked at the error code log.
I'm with Bill on this one. The emulator is low-hanging fruit, and easy to remove from the equation. At the very least, it is the most plausible diagnostic starting point. Plus, my personal experience with lambda emulators tells me they are junk at best and snake-oil at worst.
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I'm going to take that as a win.

Leave it standard because these manufacturers are pretty good at building stuff.

I'd also check the warranty as modifying a vehicle within this period may well void the policy.

The trouble is, now the dealership knows and if the dealership knows...........
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I bought it used. When I had to replace the rear tire I decided it was also time for a belt. While I was in there I installed a new Malossi variator.

I also had an Akrapovic exhaust that was made for a Vespa Primavera/Sprint with the Iget engine that came with a theft recovery parts bike.

I had also planned to do the big bore kit but stopped short when there were some discrepancies with needing a new CDI or not?

When I found this out I decided to try the Lambda Emulator by itself without the big bore kit just to see for myself how it would act. So far the performance increase is well worth the price of admission. Time will tell but I have the spare parts should I smeg something...

I am a huge fan of buying older vehicles with a proven track record of reliability and known issues. I think a great example are my dodge 2nd Gen diesels with the 12 valve P-pumped Cummins engine, 1994 to the first half of 1998.

From what I understand this version of engine came out in the early 70's for a John Deere tractor. When Chrysler put it in a pickup it was de-tuned to make less power so it would not destroy drivelines.

Despite tuning it down the Chrysler automatics still did not hold up very well but now with the aftermarket transmission parts installed they last with race/competition power.

There are a lot of issues with those trucks but the engine is not one of them. It is well known that you can take an engine with 300,000 miles on it and tune it back up to over double stock power and it will still last another 200,000 miles if it was and continues to be maintained.

The same with some of the older economy cars. I had a 1995 honda civic two door automatic that got 40 miles to the gallon with 150,000 miles on it. That version of civic had the honda double wishbone front end suspension directly from honda's formula racing experience. I can't remember if that ended in 95 or 2000 but they switched to macpherson struts (not better) for the later generations for various reasons and it definitely did not make the newer cars better just cheaper and more room for stuff in the front.

There is no such thing as a "free lunch" ! The closest you can get is blueprinting head work that makes it breath better but more power will affect everything downstream in the driveline.

Also many of the small time mom and pop repair shops have access to the software via a subscription service to what the dealers use to repair vehicles. Maybe not the newest latest models but certainly anything over 5 years old.

Even small time flippers can buy a subscription to the software for say toyota or honda. Then they buy inexpensive cars with issues and go through them and re-sell. There is a place south of Reno in Gardnerville/Minden that specializes in Subaru's. I see their ads on craigslist regularly. It is a shop as well not just somebody's garage and they have older high mileage Subie's that they have fixed what was wrong and done the preventative maintenance on what they know it will need in the future.

They regularly offer in the $5,000 price range something that is ready to drive and is perfect for a winter beater here on the eastern edge of the Sierra's. I have said before if I can find a good private mechanic I will buy what they work on just because I think that is a better experience than the dealer.

https://reno.craigslist.org/cto/d/gardnerville-2001-subaru-forester-model/7759243704.html
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Just to clarify a bit I agree with the general sentiment that stock is usually better than modified but there are circumstances of stock not being better in later generations. A modification by the factory.

What may have been stock on a 1975 John Deere tractor is not the way my 1996 dodge diesel pickup came stock from the factory. To get the driveline to last they detuned the engine.

I looked it up on wikipedia it was the seventh generation civic beginning in model year 2001 where they lost the "double wishbone" front suspension but they did get a cabin air filter added that year...

Stock is generally better but there are select things that can improve stock if engineered correctly.

Putting a newer engine in an older model is often a great improvement if done correctly. Lot's of internet stories of upgrading jeeps, honda's toyota's VW's BMW's etc.

Electronic ignition and fuel injection were great improvements especially in automobile applications for engine longevity. But sometimes the older or previous generation stock setup was better like the suspension on the Honda civic from 1988-2000 model years.

Years ago I got a used Buick with the 3.8 liter V6 that was on Wards top ten engine list for several years. These are well known to have issues with age and some of the plastic components in the intake starting to deteriorate with age and heat cycles leading to overheating and other engine related problems.

The rebuild kits and tutorials offer metal fittings to replace stock plastic ones that fail with age. I have heard the famous and very popular 5.3 LS engines
have similar intake issues that when replaced by aftermarket upgraded parts last even longer.

Stock is generally better but not always. It depends on what you change and why. For my scooter it may not last as long but I don't care I am enjoying it like it is. For my other vehicles that is usually about getting them to last longer and be more efficient.

I would love to be able to buy a brand new 1995 Honda civic. A new version kept simple like the new Toyota truck we will never see in the USA. I have a feeling the same thing will happen with the new electric cars from China. No way we will get an inexpensive and simple electric car.
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Been smelling gas or oil or something in the garage since I rode the scoot to lunch the other day. At first I put of off to 2-stroke exhaust, but it was getting worse, not better. Today I found a blue puddle coming from the Vespa. Dammit. I did turn the fuel valve off, so I'm betting it's a leaking fuel tap gasket. Drained all I could from the tank into a gas can, but of course it's never enough to EMPTY the tank, so I'll get a nice splash when I take things loose. No way I'm removing that tank again.

At least I have a tap wrench and some good quality gasket material.
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The night before a trip late last week, I took the baby GS over to the gated and security-cameraed garage I rent, to hang out with the Vespa for a few days while I'm away. As I pull in...ugh.

Looking at my Vespa, I see that some local mutant tried to steal it by attacking the ignition barrel. I was unable to see any other damage or attempt to move it besides that, so a silver lining. Given the timing, I'm betting that somebody tried to steal it on a whim for a joyride and gave up when it wasn't completely trivial. I'm still waiting to hear back about security footage, and have started piling on additional measures in the meantime.

By some miracle, after about five minutes of fiddling, my key started working again and I was able to start it up. While I need to ponder next steps wrt repair (or not), at least I have some options.

This city is trying sometimes...
Screwdriver or/and drill--grrrrrr.
Screwdriver or/and drill--grrrrrr.
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besupa wrote:
The night before a trip late last week, I took the baby GS over to the gated and security-cameraed garage I rent, to hang out with the Vespa for a few days while I'm away. As I pull in...ugh.

Looking at my Vespa, I see that some local mutant tried to steal it by attacking the ignition barrel. I was unable to see any other damage or attempt to move it besides that, so a silver lining. Given the timing, I'm betting that somebody tried to steal it on a whim for a joyride and gave up when it wasn't completely trivial. I'm still waiting to hear back about security footage, and have started piling on additional measures in the meantime.

By some miracle, after about five minutes of fiddling, my key started working again and I was able to start it up. While I need to ponder next steps wrt repair (or not), at least I have some options.

This city is trying sometimes...
I don't know what pisses me off more, someone that steals your scoot or just mutilates it and leaves. #*^hole!!
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Right! At least have the courtesy to finish the job not just leaving the poor thing there all mangled.

If there's one thing I can't stand it's an incompetent thief!
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jess wrote:
I'm with Bill on this one. The emulator is low-hanging fruit, and easy to remove from the equation. At the very least, it is the most plausible diagnostic starting point. Plus, my personal experience with lambda emulators tells me they are junk at best and snake-oil at worst.
Yes and no. Bill's approach seems to be like my mechanic's - blame and walk away. My approach is SUSPECT, investigate, and THEN blame, if warranted. Of course I removed the emulator, as you suggest, and the problem did not go away. The problem may have started after I fitted the emulator, but long after. It really started when I had finished running the scooter in and started hammering it.
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