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Hi Everyone, many thanks for letting me join the forum.
I'm from the North East of England.

Looking at buying a classic Vespa to do up.
Haven't rode one in years, but have finished restoring a lammy S2 for the daughter.

I had a 150 super in the day, Looking at trying to get something like that.

However my time away from the scene there's so little that I know now on makes and models.
Someone mentioned a GS kit on a PX?

Any help warmly welcomed.
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Welcome to the forum.

That would be my dream two-stroke scooter - a GS150 body with a kitted PX200 engine. I believe there are kits available for fitting that motor into a GS frame. Good luck finding a GS body.
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Welcome.

Unfortunately I can't help with your question.
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My personal dream would be a PK with a powerful engene!
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General question, are all large frame engines the same width?
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You're taking a chance mentioning Lambrettas and old Vespas on here Facepalm emoticon you'll get yourself banned before you get started, Ive had plenty of them going right back to the 70s great days, As for the question Gts / GTVs 125s upwards same width not sure about LXs, Sure American members will come back with answers on newer models pretty poplar over in USA, (they say we drink warm beer here🤣) Its a good forum to be on, a lot going on, welcome😉👍
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Take this quire over to the NSM side, you will get the answers you need.
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And if that's you new on Vespa UK forum, I wouldn't bother Its like a sleepy village, If you ask questions the answers are few and far and lack correct info.
This is a much better site to be on there is lots of Informative chaps and chaptasses (ladies) Laughing emoticon on here.
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Snake,

Welcome, welcome. Disclosure, I really don't have the mechanical skills to work on my Vespa. Buying new and following recommended service has worked for me. A bit pricey, but, I have never had a scoot breakdown or not start for me after 20 years back on two wheels.

I would think, like here in the USA, you could find a super buy on a used Vespa with relatively low miles. If you are after a vintage 2 stroke - good luck. Just make sure you keep your tools close at hand.

Good fortune in your search.

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It's all in the eye of the beholder, but most eyes and most beholders find that the GS kit assembled on a PX looks atrocious.
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Snakedoctor wrote:
General question, are all large frame engines the same width?
From the VNA (1958) up til the PX series the engine width is the same so it's easy to swap a PX engine into anything all the way back to the VNA. I have a PX engine in my 59 Allstate.

Someone makes a bracket to fit the large frame engines into the wide body frames but it takes a lot of work to get them to fit right. So in theory it's possible to put a PX engine into a GS body….


Welcome either way!
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Matahalii wrote:
My personal dream would be a PK with a powerful engene!
My first scooter was a Genuine Buddy 150. There was a PX150 on the floor that was the same price. Metal frame. Brand new.

You make your choices and deal.
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Hey, welcome aboard snakedoctor. Good job putting a scooter together for your daughter! Finding yourself a Super or a Sprint would be the bee's knees. If you're not familiar with what a bodge is, search that term here, pretty much requisite reading for anyone seeking vintage.

Speaking of which… those GS kits look bodgey as all get out, to me at least. No shame in riding a bone stock P. Good bikes.
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I kind of like the GS kit. I thought about getting one for my anything goes Stella. But it's really far down the list after things that make it go down the road.

I think a P series or PX series scooter are always a good bet unless you really have your heart set on something more vintage. They have always seemed vintage enough for me. Even if you don't have a lot of mechanical experience, it's not too hard to get the hang of it.
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Cheers everyone 😊 thanks for the warm welcome and the knowledge.
Friendliest group up to now 😜

Thing with GS kit is it can be returned back to normal if you don't like it.
Remember cutting my Super down in the 80's 😭 that couldn't be

Ideally an older model would be great, however realistically it's probably more of a PX I'm leaning too.

Speaking of which what's the craic with LML's?

I apologise if I've breached any conditions for the site.
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welcome aboard snakeD...
I think if youve been out of the scene you might be suprised at the advances. Saying that over here in the UK the 70's scoots seem to have definitely become rarer in the last 5 years and the 60's ones more so...I think you'd hit a happy balance putting in a bid for a p200...or an earlier PX both of which are still available (more so the PX's)
If youre going to get all excited by the shiny two tone 'restorations' and 'runs like a dream' then give your head a wobble and read about the incessant poor imports from the asia...the 'Bodgespotting' thread on here is a good read
Just remember these scoots are all old ladies now...theyve been hanging around a lotta years since you last rode them! and that comes with baggage, not new chrome and colourful footrests:-)
Good luck!
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I had 2 LML's. First one was a 2003 that got me into scootering, 13,000 miles - no big problems. The second was a '08 or '09 - chased down electrical problems for months. I also had a P200e at the time and comparing quality, the Vespa is way ahead. But the Stella (LML) did have a front disc brake.
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Haven't rode one in years, but have finished restoring a lammy S2 for the daughter.

I had a 150 super in the day, Looking at trying to get something like that.
It used to be easy to find a nice Super at a reasonable price but times have changed. I imagined same over there so I made a quick visit to eBay.UK. Lots of Vespas listed, but the older ones are mostly bodges or fairly expensive. I agree that a P range would be a great starting point for you, lots of those around 2000 pounds and a few below that, many w/ disk brake. Even the 125s will likely match your old 150 Super for zip and are easily kitted for more.

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I think I might choose this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295977705481
2003 vespa px 125 disc standard unmolested scooter, getting rare.

Yours for £1,995.00. You anywhere near Cleckheaton?
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