I just had to share this! Tip of the hat to Tony Marchman.
(This is for information only, I am in no way advocating for the use of car tires on motorcycles.)
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Petlas Elegant PT311 145/70R12 69T BSW https://a.co/d/gMENZCp
I just had to share this! Tip of the hat to Tony Marchman. (This is for information only, I am in no way advocating for the use of car tires on motorcycles.) ⚠️ Last edited by Lars_Danner on UTC; edited 1 time
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That is such a great deal, Half the price of a round tire and will last 4 or 5 times longer.
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I put a $35 car tire on the rear of my Burgman 400. I was sick of dropping $100+ every 6,000 miles on the tire alone (I mount and balance my own). I put about 10,000 miles on it then sold the scooter. The rear tire still looked new. I now have a BV250. It has a 16" rear wheel. Doesn't look like I'll be able to find a car tire to work on it.
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Lars_Danner wrote: And there is also this, if you want a more classic look... |
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I am a little confuzed...
I never saw a car tyre on a motorcycle except for sidecar combinations or showbikes. Not sure if it can be legal in europe, but how is this behaving in curves? It looks dangerous to me. |
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Matahalii wrote: I am a little confuzed... I never saw a car tyre on a motorcycle except for sidecar combinations or showbikes. Not sure if it can be legal in europe, but how is this behaving in curves? It looks dangerous to me. Some tourers vote for this because car tyres are durable. Also, especially 'Swedish chopper' style is famous not only for long forks, but often also for a car tyre in rear. Typical for these both is that the motorcycle is ridden mostly without ambitious leaning in curves...car tyre is durable, but of course don't work like a motorcycle tyre in curves. You won't see many in sport bikes. ![]() Quick search on local sales adds for 'Swedish chopper' style bikes...this is a good example. Many of these are not only show bikes or no show bikes at all, ridden quite a lot....but this is a very different motorcycle riding compared to e.g. MotoGP
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Matahalii wrote: I never saw a car tyre on a motorcycle except for sidecar combinations or showbikes. Not sure if it can be legal in europe, but how is this behaving in curves? It looks dangerous to me. It's definitely not a setup for knee-dragging sportbike riders, but you're not going to get a knee down on a GTS anyway.
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I consider Ryan F9's treatise on this topic fairly definitive.
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Is that the video where he drones on about taking corners at a 45 degree angle on a bike that weighs as much as a Honda Civic? I doubt it's relevant to anyone here.
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Dark siding. I've never done that myself, but I've been looking into it for over a decade now. As far as I've been able to figure out, your success will depend.
In some cases the Dark Side has cookies, with double chocolate, and milk, while angels sing above. In other cases it brings fear and misery. There are few things to take into account to reach success. . The bike. Weight, structure and suspension. . The tire. Width, profile and size. More of my wit and wisdom later (maybe half of it) |
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OK it is pure logic that a car tyre on 20000miles straigt american road wears less. It is made of harder compound and has a (almost) flat surface. But I like to tust my tyre especially in the corners and european curvy roads where transversal forces appear, and there the round surface and the soft grippy compound will pay off. Better change more often than sitting in the ditch.
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Matahalii wrote: But I like to tust my tyre especially in the corners and european curvy roads where transversal forces appear, and there the round surface and the soft grippy compound will pay off. Better change more often than sitting in the ditch. You're right. Nobody who has ever run the darkside has ever actually navigated a single curve successfully. Most of them died in that first ditch, and the remainder that survived are too ashamed to speak up. [/sarcasm] |
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I have considered going darkside, but the compounds in these small car tires are very different. I'm more concerned about loss of traction, but I've seen plenty of other riders navigate corners pretty well - although some have found tipping into corners a bit tricky. That might be a function of the strength of the sidewall for a particular tire.
Has anyone considered using a belt sander to ease/round the shoulder on a car tire prior to mounting on a scoot or MC? In theory, this would more closely mimic a conventional MC tire with rounded shoulders and help keep handling more predictable. |
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Rode an '08 Burgman 400 about ten miles this Sunday. While I don't own one myself, my buddy owns an '07 Burgman 400 (also second gen) and I've ridden it a bit more.
I thought the '08 had rather wooden handling and took a bit more commitment to lean it into a turn. I initially thought it was due to the assortment of farkles contributing to the Burgie's already chonky curb weight. Wasn't till I parked it up that I noticed the car tire on the rear. Personally, I'm not sold on it. My '08 Majesty will wear proper footwear as long as I own it, especially since I've thrown parts at it to improve handling and l'm not keen to give any up.
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At one time about 10 ago I had 2 Majesty's, one with a round tire and 1 with a car tire. I would alternate riding them to keep batteries charged etc. One day I was riding one on the curvy back roads to the gym and I realized I wasn't aware of whether I was riding the one with the CT or the RT. This is what convinced me that there was no noticeable difference between the two. Now I am a senior citizen and not a knee dragger by any means but this works for me. On my previous CT I had logged 27500 miles when I noticed the thread was pretty thin, not bald, just thin! If I am considering buying a different scoot I will first check to see if I can run a CT on it.
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I had a car tire on the rear of my Burgman 400 for a little under 10,000 miles before I sold it. I loved it. I sold the scooter because I wanted something smaller. Any scooter I own from here out will get a car tire on the back wheel if it can be done. I ride plenty of twisties in the canyons through the Colorado Rocky Mountains. Car tire was never an issue for me. Overall, I liked the ride of the scooter better with a car tire. Very rarely do you come across someone who speaks out against the practice who has actually experienced it.
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Abner_Bjorn wrote: I had a car tire on the rear of my Burgman 400 for a little under 10,000 miles before I sold it. I loved it. I sold the scooter because I wanted something smaller. Any scooter I own from here out will get a car tire on the back wheel if it can be done. I ride plenty of twisties in the canyons through the Colorado Rocky Mountains. Car tire was never an issue for me. Overall, I liked the ride of the scooter better with a car tire. Very rarely do you come across someone who speaks out against the practice who has actually experienced it. |
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chipshot wrote: Anyone know if the 155/65R14 would work on a BV350 (150-70/14 rear tire)?
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I just ran across this photo of an old chopper with what looks like a Michelin X automotive tire. Years ago a lot of chopper guys ran this tire. They were a lot cheaper than motorcycle tires (which weren't that great at the time).
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