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EICMA 2023 starts tomorrow - There are already first pictures of the Piaggio booth...
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The coordinates on the booth bring you straight in front of the Piaggio plant in Pontedera, Toscane, Italy.
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One more picture…
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I knew there'd be a high speed red GTS.
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Still putting that quasi-adidas-logo-thing on the rear quarter and front mudguard.
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Mike Holland wrote: I knew there'd be a high speed red GTS. All the emphasis will be on the electric Primavera. At first glance my eyes were tricked to think it was an orange Super Sport with the side decals removed. Because I have seen a few. It took a minute to realize it was a red bike. It was glorious! They should do that from the factory. |
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CzVgd6ft8ou/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Appears to be an updated primavera with keyless? Rear hub and brake looks unchanged so not destined for Australia then ![]() ![]() |
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First two videos
https://www.facebook.com/sqootercom/videos/713277846953366 https://www.facebook.com/sqootercom/videos/649938580589697 New Smallframe Lineup: - Vespa Primavera 50/125/150 (White Innocente, Black Convinto, Green Amabile, Orange Impulsivo und Blue Energico) - Vespa Primavera RED 50/125/150 - Vespa Primavera S 50/125/150 (Beige Avvolgente, Black Convinto Opaco und Yellow Curioso) - Vespa Primavera Tech 50/125/150 (Blue Energico Opaco, Grey Entusiasta) - Vespa Primavera Elettrica 45kph* (White Innocente, Green Amabile, Black Convinto) - RUMORS! Vespa Primavera Tech Elettrica faster than 45kph* (Blue Energico Opaco, Grey Entusiasta) - Vespa Primavera RED Elettrica 45kph* - Vespa Sprint S 50/125/150 (White Innocente, Black Convinto Opaco, Green Ambizioso, Red Coraggioso, Blue Eclettico) - Vespa Sprint Elettrica 45kph* (Black Convinto Opaco, Green Ambizioso) *a faster (70kph?) version is announced, seems only available as Primavera Tech Elettrica Primavera Touring is no longer available in MY24 Sprint Classic (w/o "S") is no longer available in MY24 Keyless (seems only for Tech) New Speedo 3"-TFT (like MY23 GTS) except "Tech"-Modells, these are with 5"-Color-TFT New Rims (5-star on Primavera / 6-star on Sprint) New Cascade/Tie Not sure: maybe new trim around legshield New saddle Edit: lineup corrected; added Rumors to Vespa Primavera Tech Elettrica ⚠️ Last edited by GermanGTSDriver on UTC; edited 12 times
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Here is the press release that went out this morning:
https://press.piaggiogroup.com/en_EN/newsletter/issue/saas_piaggiogroup/31185 Quote: Can't read this email? Click here to view in browser logo PRESS RELEASE - 07/11/2023 Share on Facebook icon Twitter icon The Piaggio Group, Europe's leading manufacturer, takes centre stage at EICMA with a series of new products for 2024 MOTO GUZZI STELVIO IS THE MOST HIGHLY ANTICIPATED NEW MODEL, MARKING THE RETURN OF AN HISTORIC ADVENTURE BRAND DEDICATED TO BOUNDLESS TRAVEL THE STELVIO DEBUTS THE INNOVATIVE RIDER ASSISTANCE SOLUTION, BASED ON RADAR TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPED BY PIAGGIO FAST FORWARD THE V85 RANGE IS EXTENDED AND UPDATED WITH NEW ENGINES AND NEW VERSIONS APRILIA PRESENTS RS 457, A LIGHTWEIGHT AND TECHNOLOGICALLY COMPLETE NEW SPORTS BIKE, DESTINED FOR YOUNG RIDERS AND NEW MARKETS. NEW VERSIONS OF THE TUAREG AND 660 ROAD BIKES ROUND OUT THE RANGE A STYLE ICON AND LONG-TIME STAR OF URBAN MOBILITY, VESPA PRESENTS ITS LATEST PRIMAVERA AND SPRINT MODELS, WHICH INCLUDE AN ELECTRIC VERSION, UPDATED AND ULTRA-TECHNOLOGICAL PIAGGIO PRESENTS ITS 2024 RANGE OF HIGH-WHEEL SCOOTERS, THE BEST-SELLING LIBERTY, MEDLEY AND BEVERLY. THE PIAGGIO 1 ELECTRIC SCOOTER IS NOW MORE POWERFUL THAN EVER, FOR INCREASINGLY EFFECTIVE URBAN COMMUTING Milan, 7 November 2023 - The Piaggio Group attends EICMA having consolidated its position as Europe's leading manufacturer. As of 30 September 2023, the Group had sold 454,400 vehicles worldwide, reporting a revenue of 1,626.2 billion Euro. This makes for a net profit of 85.7 million Euro, the best ever result over a nine month period. In addition, the industrial gross margin grew by 9.3% while the Ebitda recorded its highest ever value for the period, up by 13.8%. In the first nine months of 2023, the Piaggio Group confirmed its leadership in Europe in the scooter segment, with a share of 23.1%, while on the North American scooter market, the share increases to 29.5%. The scooter sector has seen strong performances by high-wheel models Piaggio Beverly and Piaggio Medley, and a double-figure increase in Vespa revenue on Western markets. In the motorcycle sector, the new Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello has been particularly well-received by the market. As for Aprilia, the new 660 cc engine has shown exceptional versatility, powering Jacopo Cerutti to victory in the Italian Motorally Championship, aboard the Aprilia Tuareg, while the Aprilia RS 660 sports bike played a starring role in the Twins Cup category of the prestigious MotoAmerica championship, placing two riders on the podium in the general standings. The Piaggio Group motorcycle brands will showcase their commitment to continuously update and expand the range at EICMA 2023. Aprilia and Moto Guzzi present increasingly comprehensive ranges, global, diverse and ready to satisfy varied demand, from young motorcyclists getting into sports riding, to the more experienced who want to travel and cover long distances. In the meantime, Vespa Primavera and Vespa Sprint, profoundly revamped in style and technical features, confirm their status as representatives of Italian style and elegance in the world. PIAGGIO GROUP KEY NEW MODELS AT EICMA 2023 Aprilia RS 457 Having presented the RS 660, which quickly became the best selling sports bike in Europe, Aprilia completes its sports family by entering a new segment that looks to both future generations and new markets, to meet the growing demand for easy but enjoyable bikes that are cutting-edge in both technology and style. Aprilia RS 457 is born out of an entirely new project that stands out for its lightness, boasting the best weight/power ratio possible for a motorcycle that can be ridden with an A2 class license, ease of riding, and technological features. The RS 457 is designed to accompany motorcyclists as they progress on road and track. The new Aprilia is powered by an ultra-modern and technological liquid-cooled parallel twin with dual camshaft and four valves per cylinder, capable of delivering 35 kW of power, the maximum possible for a bike that can be ridden with an A2 licence. The pure power figure is combined with the fact that the motorcycle weighs just 159 kg dry (175 kg with a full tank), for a simply unbeatable weight/power ratio. The aluminium frame with engine bearing function and the adjustable suspension form a bar-setting chassis architecture. In classic Aprilia tradition, the standard electronics package is comprehensive, with Ride by Wire accelerator, three Riding Modes, ABS and adjustable traction control that can be disabled. Available accessories include the electronic quick shift. www.aprilia.com/en_EN/landing-page/news/ Moto Guzzi Stelvio Stelvio is the on-off road bike from Moto Guzzi designed for adventurous travel. Built on an ultra-modern technical platform it is the only bike in its displacement class to have a cardan shaft drive and windscreen with electric height adjustment. Stelvio is powered by a "compact block" engine, recently introduced on the V100 Mandello and further refined. A cutting-edge engine in terms of its design and construction, it is compact and lightweight, allowing for an agile, sports-oriented chassis architecture. A 90° transverse V-twin with liquid cooling and double overhead camshaft and four valves per cylinder. The six-speed gearbox has been revamped to make shifting even smoother and softer. This engine promises true sports performance, delivering maximum power of 115 hp at 8700 rpm and maximum torque of 105 Nm at 6750 rpm, 82% of which is already available at 3500 rpm, and with the limiter set at an impressive 9500 rpm. The chassis architecture includes a high resistance steel tube frame combined with tubeless spoke wheels, respectively 19" at the front and 17" at the rear, as well as long-travel suspension, choices that make the ride comfortable over long range and fun during light off-roading and dynamic riding on asphalt. Stelvio is the first Moto Guzzi to feature the PFF Rider Assistance Solution. The innovative riding assistance platform is based on radar technology developed by Piaggio Fast Forward, the robotics subsidiary founded by the Piaggio Group and based in Boston, Massachusetts (USA). These devices play a fundamental active safety role, ensuring the Following Cruise Control feature (an advanced cruise control system that exploits the front radar to adjust speed based on that of the vehicle ahead), Forward Collision Warning (detects possible collisions with vehicles and objects located ahead), Blind Spot Information System (warns the rider of vehicles in the blind spot of the mirrors), and Lane Change Decision Aid System (identifies vehicles that are approaching from the side, creating a potentially dangerous situation). The top of line electronics features are completed with the Ride by Wire accelerator and the six-axis platform that optimises the electronic controls for safety (such as Cornering ABS) and fun. There are five Riding Modes as, Touring, Rain, Road, Sport, and Off-Road which manage engine brake, ABS, traction control, and engine map intervention. In the Off-Road mode, both ABS and traction control can be disabled. A vast range of accessories is available to meet a rider's specific needs. New Moto Guzzi V85 range The iconic enduro from Moto Guzzi is one of the category's most original and appealing proposals of recent years. It is the only one to combine an authentic and characteristic style with the versatility of a modern on-off road bike dedicated to adventurous touring, reflecting a construction philosophy where minimalism, practicality, and lightness make for an unfiltered relationship between bike and rider. At EICMA 2023, Moto Guzzi presents the new V85, advanced on both a stylistic and technical level. In terms of style, it is further modernised and refined thanks to a total design revamp of the superstructures, windscreen (now manually adjustable), handlebar controls, now more intuitive and practical to use, and the adoption of a new 5" TFT instrument cluster. Metal is replaced by lighter and more refined aluminium for the headlight unit brackets and passenger grab handles. From a technical point of view, there are many improvements. The legendary air cooled, 90° transverse V-twin is now Euro 5+ compliant, while new variable timing boosts performance across the entire power delivery range. It now offers maximum power of 80 hp and maximum torque of 83 Nm, an important development highlighted by the redesigned cylinder heads. Moto Guzzi V85 becomes a family in 2024, with three different interpretations to suit a range of mobility needs. V85 Strada is the most minimalist version, intended for daily use. It stands out for its alloy wheels (19" front and 17" rear for all three sizes) with street tyres, its low front mudguard, and its three Riding Modes (Road, Rain, and Sport) which manage the ABS, Traction Control, and engine maps. V85 TT represents the essence of the iconic Moto Guzzi bike dedicated to touring. It features tubeless spoked wheels with on-off road tyres and 4 Riding Modes (Road, Sport, Rain, and Off-Road) which optimise the electronic controls (including Cornering ABS), thanks to the presence of the six-axis inertial platform. Standard equipment also includes the engine guard and passenger grab handle, both in aluminium, as well as hand guards and adjustable hydraulic preload for the shock absorber spring. V85 TT Travel is the top of line version complete with sumptuous touring-specific equipment package that includes rigid cases, the Moto Guzzi MIA multimedia platform, heated hand grips and saddle, and a more protective windscreen. There are five Riding Modes as, in addition to Road, Sport, Rain, and Off-Road, there is also Custom (available as an optional accessory for the other two V85 versions) which allows the rider to customise the electronic controls based on their own riding needs. There is a vast range of accessories available for each of the V85 versions. www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/landing-page/news/ Vespa Primavera and Vespa Sprint S The Vespa "small body" has always represented the youngest and most urban spirit of Vespa and has now been completely revamped. The two models, Vespa Primavera and Vespa Sprint S, offer different variations and engine sizes, even for the electric version. The Piaggio Centro Stile has carried out intense work to improve the finishings, introducing new materials and working painstakingly on the details to enhance the unique features and different spirits of Vespa Primavera and Vespa Sprint S. The superstructures on the handlebar are brand new, as are the hand grips and electric controls, flaunting real attention to detail and functionality. The leg shield back plate is also new, elevating the sensation of perceived material and assembly quality. The new crest on the mudguard (only for Vespa Primavera) and the new design and finishings of the central steering cover make up the other style elements that have been revamped and updated. Even the seat has been improved across the various versions, thanks to the use of new materials that ensure a superior finish. The Tech version of Primavera also features the key-less start system and TFT instrumentation via which to manage the functions offered by the Vespa MIA multimedia platform. The analogue/digital instrument panel on the other versions is also new, while all now flaunt a full LED lighting system. Vespa Primavera and Vespa Sprint S are available with ultra modern Euro 5+ compliant 50, 125, and 150 cc engines with three-valve timing and electronic injection. There are two electric versions of Vespa Primavera and Vespa Sprint S, one with speed limited to moped standards and one with motorcycle approval, available with the Primavera Tech equipment package. The moped versions now have removable batteries for convenient charging even in domestic settings. www.vespa.com/en_EN/landing-page/news/ Piaggio High-Wheel Range and Piaggio 1 The Piaggio brand brings its high-wheel scooter range to EICMA. Best-sellers that have invented a segment, dictating the technical and style lines. For 2024, the agile and lightweight Liberty, the technological Medley and the powerful Beverly offer real choice with engine sizes ranging from 50 to 400 cc. In their sportiest S version, all three models benefit from an aesthetic update, with the captivating new Blu Zaffiro blue livery. Beverly is also available with a new Nero Cosmo black colour scheme. Piaggio 1, the e-scooter for urban mobility by Piaggio, is now available in a more powerful version, to ensure increasingly effective and safe commuting while ensuring real ease of riding. The power unit that equips the scooter version of Piaggio 1 now offers peak power of 2.2 kW, almost twice that of the previous version, while the motorcycle version (Piaggio 1 Active) reaches a peak of 3 kW. This makes for a significant increase in terms of acceleration, which increases by 14% on Piaggio 1 and by almost 12% on Piaggio 1 Active. In keeping with the firm's status as Europe's leading scooter manufacturer, Piaggio 1 primarily means safety, with a solid chassis architecture designed for riding pleasure, but also an attractive design, significant comfort, and high-level rideability, as well as a full technological package that includes digital colour instrumentation, full LED lighting, and a key-less system. Piaggio 1 is the only e-scooter in its category to boast a spacious under-seat compartment big enough to store a full jet helmet. www.piaggio.com/en_EN/landing-page/news
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The white Sprint there has the popular 70s style rear rack, that SIP sell. Looks like Vespa have realised its popularity and made it a factory part!
Removable batteries in the Elettrica seem good, but curious how they've packaged this and whether there's any change to the storage area or battery capacity. Not personally keen on the matt black plastic behind the leg shield to make the wireless key work... Euro5+ seems mostly about the Vespa constantly checking itself to ensure compliance: Quote: If the transition from Euro 4 to Euro 5 was significant, the transition from Euro 5 to Euro 5+ won't be as big of a leap. Passing the emissions tests won't be enough, and instead, onboard diagnostics, durability tests, and noise tests (still being defined) will be considered in the criteria. Essentially, the "+" in Euro 5+ won't be a total revamp, but more of a refinement of the current standard. The emissions standards are similar to Euro 5, so all of the emissions limits will be retained and most of the work that went into the combustion system won't need a revamp. Euro 5 demanded a lot from manufacturers on top of the emissions standards such as durability testing for the catalytic converters, OBD II systems, misfire checks on said systems, and a system to detect a deteriorated lambda probe. Euro 5+ will keep the current emission limits, but the point of the "+" would be to further ensure that the standards are fully met, even in the long term. One of the changes we'll see is with regard to the durability testing of the catalytic converters. For the Euro 5 standard, a mathematical deterioration calculation was acceptable, but under Euro 5+, a kilometric test must be carried out to see whether the components hold up over time. The OBD II level will also get an update, with Euro 5+ requiring the ECU to run a check at least 10 percent of the time that the vehicle is in use. The diagnostic sequence includes checking the catalytic converter and the state of the sensors. Finally, the ECU's diagnostic monitoring must also signal whether the vehicle operator won't be able to use the engine's full power such as in the case of an overheating motor. |
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Scooter Raton just posted that the ItalJet Dragster 300, a new model for them, will be coming to the USA in spring 2024.
I will be interested is seeing that one. https://scooterlab.uk/italjet-dragster-300-arrives-jan-2024-eicma-news/?fbclid=IwAR10D7lb9T9NsbGs1m02iGiIcreHawBqtexNtN6IDlN4eY5vCj9Qm8mef5M Bill |
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Exciting to be in the know......anyone heard/seen anything about large frame models for 2024...?
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Mitleider wrote: Exciting to be in the know......anyone heard/seen anything about large frame models for 2024...? |
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Be very interesting to see what the accommodations will be to satisfy US laws. Also, I am extremely curious about the price of the Italjet 300 dragster.
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Lupiae wrote: The original Vespa site has an Eicma update section. 300gts no updates for what I can see |
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SteelBytes wrote: https://www.instagram.com/p/CzVgd6ft8ou/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== Appears to be an updated primavera with keyless? Rear hub and brake looks unchanged so not destined for Australia then We will see on Saturday!!! |
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Lars_Danner wrote: No 310cc GTS? But the rumors predicted that no news about the Lageframe (i.e. no possibly larger engine) would be presented at the EICMA. If the rumors are true, then something could happen in terms of a power increase and/or larger engine at the end of next year at the earliest. Note: I'm not saying that something is coming, but certainly not next season. |
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ApsevTorontoWest wrote: Wonder if the 946 "year of the dragon" will be on display? We will see on Saturday!!! Pics and video are from yesterday or opening today between 8-10am, I belive that the 946 Dragon arrived later today. Unfortunately I have not seen any pic, yet. ![]() |
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ApsevTorontoWest wrote: Wonder if the 946 "year of the dragon" will be on display? We will see on Saturday!!! Did you get any news about that? |
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GermanGTSDriver wrote: https://www.instagram.com/vespa/ Italian site has the new Sprint/Prima: https://www.vespa.com/it_IT/landing-page/new-primavera-and-new-sprint-s/ https://img.piaggiogroup.com/mediaObject/dem-images/vespa/master/campaign/2023/eicma/brochure/IT-DIGITAL-Vespa-Range-11-2023/original/IT-DIGITAL-Vespa+Range-11-2023.pdf Edit: link to pdf in english Date in the PDF is 30/Nov/2023 so could be it? https://img.piaggiogroup.com/mediaObject/dem-images/vespa/master/campaign/2023/eicma/brochure/EN-DIGITAL-Vespa-Range-11-2023/original/IT-DIGITAL-Vespa+Range-11-2023.pdf "IRRESISTIBLY TRENDY SINCE 1946 78 YEARS YOUNG AND CHARMING" lol, gotta love marketing video link https://skyfire.vimeocdn.com/1705368108-0x7b5c25bf7b5f20d4280f580c844f45e3495d0e23/fdbe883e-519a-46ee-af4b-6bbb543b5ee5/parcel/video/6245bf8f.mp4 ⚠️ Last edited by SteelBytes on UTC; edited 5 times
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ah yeah. gotcha
although is that worthy of the 'Legend' label? (or the prima/sprint I linked?) |
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SteelBytes wrote: ah yeah. gotcha although is that worthy of the 'Legend' label? (or the prima/sprint I linked?) Electric sprint is 45kph… boooooo
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SteelBytes wrote: ^^ Is this about the launch of the new Prima/Sprint with Keyless etc from EICMA or something else? (don't think that had launched yet had it?) |
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Primavera Elettrica and Sprint S Elettrica (45kph) is still available in Europe.
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znomit wrote: Electric sprint is 45kph… boooooo AND the petrol models are listed as Euro 5+ (not 5 any more) with no power ratings listed |
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Mike Holland wrote: That dragon emblem looks horribly Chinese to me! In 2024, according to the Chinese Zodiac, it's the Year of the Dragon with the Wood element. The Dragon is seen as the strongest and represents power, nobility, and success in Chinese tradition. |
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