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I spent some time this weekend stripping down a 1959 Allstate. This model is a 3 speed 125cc piston ported. The body is very rough and I don't think it is economically feasible to restore. The fork is bent. The engine was/is still covered in a layer of mud. But it is complete.

Is there any interest in parts of this scooter? The engine is free and has the Dellorto UA16 S1 carburetor.

Not sure what to do with this. Open to ideas.
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Gee, that sure looks familiar....

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More here: Scruffy AllState, crappy headlight finally fixed!

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It was pretty banged up but not rotted out.

And doesn't look like your floor is rotted out either? If you have access to a hydraulic press, you can likely straighten the fork. I junked the rusty frozen 3 speed mine came with & built a budget hotrod rat 4 speed motor. Your paint actually looks better than mine did most places.
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If you want to sell it for parts, let me know. I have one stored for a future project and might need some parts. Your about 6 hours from me so it could be a bit before I !make it down that way. Like a Chiefs playoff game.
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Do you have the speedo for it? I could use that that's for sure.
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Plop in a P engine and stab in a PKXL fork. Done and done.
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When I said bad body was bad I think more pictures will explain. Body is shot and putting on a new legsheild is cost prohibitive.

There is no interest in that motor? And rare carburetor? Purists don't want that stuff?

I cleaned the carb and rebuilt it. Totally different carb from the Spaco's. Its like the SU's in an old English car. I like it - needle and seat! Choke is in the carb housing.
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I think you will find interest in the motor and carb. I think there will be interest in a bunch of it. The problem is largely that it's not a huge market for the earlier bikes. I'd say your best bet is to find someone who's doing up a similar bike and can marry the parts from this with theirs to make a complete bike.

This one will take a bit of patience to move or just dump a fire sale price on it. The parts are not that common, so definitely don't just dumpster it.

If space is an issue, tear it down, taking photos as you go. Dump the frame once it's apart.
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Do you have the speedo for it? I could use that that's for sure.
Nope. Only thing missing was the top of the split headset.
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i'd be interested in a couple things if you aren't able to sell as a complete project.
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woof. that floor is in a bad, bad way.

but if you wanted to try your hand and panel replacement and new floor isn't that much and then just kinda pound to fit, paint to match the rest with some rattle bomb.

but honestly, I'd just part it. I'm sure that you could even cut up parts of the body for somebody in need.

the motor is a weird one. very very limited production, basically zero upgrades, dog-water slow and difficult to get parts for. only a serious purist would want one for a resto considering that you could slide any other motor in there from VBB to P-series.
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Nope. Only thing missing was the top of the split headset.
Figured but was also hopeful. I have a working VNA motor already so I'm out on that part.
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I don't think that's a VNA mudguard?
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I don't think that's a VNA mudguard?
The 1958 and 59 ones should have the seedless one piece guard, this ones from later one. Not sure what year they switched to the 2 piece ones but by 1962 they were 2 piece ones. So yea long story short it's a VNB fender not a VNA one
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FridayMatinee wrote:
The 1958 and 59 ones should have the seedless one piece guard, this ones from later one. Not sure what year they switched to the 2 piece ones but by 1962 they were 2 piece ones. So yea long story short it's a VNB fender not a VNA one
Good to know, my dark blue red underneath in picture above is a one piece.
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