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Mine are cattle-trucked! Anyone know if they're the same as the PX125 type, or some weird LML exclusive?
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Huh, learn something new every day if you're paying sttention! Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was trying to imagne any possible connection & soon just gave up
I think Vespa 150 mounts fit according to this: https://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Buffer/SPRINTBUFFERS but have no hands on experience. If you've removed the old ones, post up a picture ⚠️ Last edited by V oodoo on UTC; edited 2 times
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I work for a Brit firm and hear that stuff daily. Typically, I end up googling it and feeling stupid.
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V oodoo wrote: I think Vespa 150 mounts fit according to this: https://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Buffer/SPRINTBUFFERS but have no hands on experience. If you've removed the old ones, post up a picture |
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This is the one you want:
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/rubber-engine-mounting-bush-kit-engine-swing-arm-pivot-o-30-40-mm-lml_17472710 If you want to get fancy, you can install the Clauss Studios mounts: https://www.claussstudios.com/store/p765/Vespa_PX125_PX150_Polyurethane_Engine_Mounts.html |
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I was hoping to steer clear of crappy LML rubber. Do you think the 2-piece PX ones would fit?
https://www.scooter-center.com/en/silent-block-pair-engine-bgm-pro-vespa-px80-px125-px150-sprint150-vlb1t-ts125-vnl3t-gt125-vnl2t-gtr125-vnl2t-super-gl150-vla1t-vna-vnb-vba-vbb-bgm7951 |
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Great! The LML originals have lasted 14 years (but only around 5k miles at a guess) and have now pretty much disintegrated. I'll be back with more bad language when I'm trying to fit the replacements
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Do some searching here for motor mount/buffer replacement unless you're a masochist.
If you have a piece of threaded rod and some large fender washers, you can use those to install the new mounts. Opinions vary on how best to remove mounts. The first time I tried to remove my Stella mounts, they were completely frozen into the tubes by rust. I wound up cutting the mounting bolt to get the motor out, then getting progressively more violent from there. Hopefully you won't have to do anything that drastic, though. |
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I recently did this job on my 200 using a heat gun, PB blaster, threaded rod and a few blunt instruments of opportunity.
The hardest part was getting the new ones in. Cleaned out and greased the case tube and used a file to put a bevel on the rubber to help it ease into the case. A little poking with a big punch and flat blade screwdriver to get the leading edges of the rubber into the case as I tightened the threaded rod. After that, they go right in. |
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Thanks for the tips guys. I think I also read that compressing the rubber with cable ties then putting them in the freezer also helps.
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norman wrote: Thanks for the tips guys. I think I also read that compressing the rubber with cable ties then putting them in the freezer also helps. |
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The instructions on the BGM mounts that I've just fitted said to coat them in talc and tap them in with a mallet, it worked way better than I expected.
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I've ordered the same. I've a feeling that removing the originals will be the more challenging part of the operation.
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One of my least favorite jobs but talc might have made it different let us know how it goes.
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FridayMatinee wrote: I put Clauss mounts in Bear and it was ridiculously simple. |
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From what i remember to remove the Stella engine mounts from the swing arm..
You have to first grind out the swedge that's in the main tube. Use a propane torch and get the steel center tube good and hot until the rubber starts smoking and popping. Then twist it out with a pair of channel locks. To remove the rubber from the swingarm, get the aluminum good and hot with the torch. Then jam a screwdriver between the rubber and the aluminum and squirt some wd40 in there. Then pry the whole rubber portion out. It's never taken me more than a few minutes to remove both sides.
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whodatschrome wrote: From what i remember to remove the Stella engine mounts from the swing arm.. You have to first grind out the swedge that's in the main tube. Use a propane torch and get the steel center tube good and hot until the rubber starts smoking and popping. Then twist it out with a pair of channel locks. To remove the rubber from the swingarm, get the aluminum good and hot with the torch. Then jam a screwdriver between the rubber and the aluminum and squirt some wd40 in there. Then pry the whole rubber portion out. It's never taken me more than a few minutes to remove both sides. ![]() ⚠️ Last edited by norman on UTC; edited 1 time
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IMHO absolutely easy job. Not need heating or freezing.
norman wrote: I was hoping to steer clear of crappy LML rubber. Do you think the 2-piece PX ones would fit? https://www.scooter-center.com/en/silent-block-pair-engine-bgm-pro-vespa-px80-px125-px150-sprint150-vlb1t-ts125-vnl3t-gt125-vnl2t-gtr125-vnl2t-super-gl150-vla1t-vna-vnb-vba-vbb-bgm7951 chandlerman wrote: And this also will fit. So any P/PX 80-150cc will fit on to LML. Two piece type is easy for mounting. But before mount it on case better to check how it fit to the chassis. I was need to grind down metal tubes few times. |
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norman wrote: Stupid question, but what's a swedge? |
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norman wrote: Stupid question, but what's a swedge? ![]() |
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Well, that's a job i hope I won't need to do again for a while!
I used a combination of the various methods previously mentioned. Difficult to say which was the most successful, but I'd probably go with the G-clamp against the central cut-out section of the swingarm. A few turns of that forced the metal tube out just enough to be able to get some molegrips on it so that I could wrestle it out. The (already-butchered) rubbers came out easily afterwards. Fitting the new mounts was fairly straightforward. The larger side needed a few good whacks with The Persuader whereas the smaller side went almost all the way in with just a good push of the fingers. I used a threaded rod and washers to pull the two sides together. One thing to mention is that I found BGM's advise to use talc to be completely useless. A light smearing of tyre soap set the mounts on their merry way instead. ![]() Job's a good 'un
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roland87 wrote: I mounted it on my P150X. chandlerman wrote: This is how it look after near 4000 km. ![]() |
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