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For $30 one can have their Vespa key duplicated in a supermarket automated kiosk. Any reason why not to do this?
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Lack of $30?
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Immobiliser chip?
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I started my scooter today using a key that Robot made for me from my blue key. If that has an immobilizer then I got a real bargain.
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Are you saying Robot runs an automated kiosk that makes keys at a supermarket? What part is automated?
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Are you saying Robot runs an automated kiosk that makes keys at a supermarket? What part is automated?
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No it's not automated or no it's not in a supermarket?
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I currently use a key that is a duplicate they made inexpensively for me at a dealership. If that has an immobilizer chip then I understand why the kiosk duplicate wouldn't work.
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my 2006 LXS isn't chipped, so i doubt your 2006 is either
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my 2006 LXS isn't chipped, so i doubt your 2006 is either
Aaaand, there it is. Thank you Fleece.
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How is it automated? surely it needs to have the right key blank stored in the machine.
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My 2006 LX150 is chipped.

Does your machine have the light on the dash that blinks and then turns off? That should let you know if it has an immobilizer.

Going rate here in Toronto is $50 CAD ($35 USD) to have a mobile locksmith come to your house, cut a key, and clone the chip.

So the robot machine sounds about right to me (assuming it has a chip - otherwise $35 for a standard key blank cut is kind of a ripoff)
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Lack of $30?
This ^^^
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2 separate concepts:

1. Computerized kiosk

2. A man named Robot at Vespa dealer in San Diego
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Just realized my typo caused confusion. Apologies.
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my 2006 LXS isn't chipped, so i doubt your 2006 is either
Your's is an S. No immobiliser. His is an LX, with immobiliser.
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Your's is an S. No immobiliser. His is an LX, with immobiliser.
Thanks Jim, wasn't aware there was a difference
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I started my scooter today using a key the Robot made for me from my blue key. If that has an immobilizer then I got a real bargain.
question: it started, but did it rev up? as in did you ride with it?

an uncoded key will start and run, it just won't rev past threshold-- I forget what that is at the moment, like 1800 rpm maybe?
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question: it started, but did it rev up? as in did you ride with it?

an uncoded key will start and run, it just won't rev past threshold-- I forget what that is at the moment, like 1800 rpm maybe?
I notice no difference in performance from key to key.
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I notice no difference in performance from key to key.
But did you ride it? Your terse answers are making it really difficult to help.
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How is it automated? surely it needs to have the right key blank stored in the machine.
It scans your key and poops out a dupe.

I should mention that Vespa key duplication is an option and it prompted me to input the model and year of manufacture. It more than suggested that this could be done - it tried to charge me $29.95 and mail it to my address, as opposed to grinding one out on the spot, as it were. The mail option is what gave me pause. Could there be a chip involved? Doubtful.
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But did you ride it? Your terse answers are making it really difficult to help.
Not meaning to be terse. I've been riding it. Robot cut that key for me 2 years ago. The only difference I notice is occasional difficulty starting with the copy. Never with the original. Full story is that I thought I'd lost the original. Turned up though. If I seemed short it's that I was stressing about having lost it.
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none of this makes sense to me. I don't know if it's the usage of different terms or the sequence of events or what.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying it's implausible.

unless the kiosk machine has the software capability to recognize and clone the chip to your new key I don't see how it works. unless you have an uncoded CDI, or something else.
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My 2006 LX150 is chipped.

Does your machine have the light on the dash that blinks and then turns off? That should let you know if it has an immobilizer.

Going rate here in Toronto is $50 CAD ($35 USD) to have a mobile locksmith come to your house, cut a key, and clone the chip.

So the robot machine sounds about right to me (assuming it has a chip - otherwise $35 for a standard key blank cut is kind of a ripoff)
Mine has the blinking dash light so safe to assume immobilizer present then.
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none of this makes sense to me. I don't know if it's the usage of different terms or the sequence of events or what.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying it's implausible.

unless the kiosk machine has the software capability to recognize and clone the chip to your new key I don't see how it works. unless you have an uncoded CDI, or something else.
I apologize for not being more articulate. I'm dealing with some family issues that are making me insane(r), which is why I'd lost my key. I can't keep a thought in my head. San Diego dealership made me a dupe that (generally) functions as it should. I was asking if the machine that cuts keys in a supermarket could make me a functioning key, based on my suspicion that there was no immobilizer present on my 2006 lx150. I'm now understanding that there is an immobilizer present and that the store kiosk would not give me what I need. Which is an editor apparently.
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I apologize for not being more articulate. I'm dealing with some family issues that are making me insane(r), which is why I'd lost my key. I can't keep a thought in my head. San Diego dealership made me a dupe that (generally) functions as it should. I was asking if the machine that cuts keys in a supermarket could make me a functioning key, based on my suspicion that there was no immobilizer present on my 2006 lx150. I'm now understanding that there is an immobilizer present and that the store kiosk would not give me what I need. Which is an editor apparently.
it's all good man, I kinda, sorta knew where you were maybe going but I just wanted clarity across the board.

so, going forward: do you need a key? if you need a key, do you have your brown master key?
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it's all good man, I kinda, sorta knew where you were maybe going but I just wanted clarity across the board.

so, going forward: do you need a key? if you need a key, do you have your brown master key?
The scooter came with only the blue key. I had a copy made at the San Diego dealership soon after I bought it, but I never had the brown key unfortunately. My whole reason for posting any of this is that I thought I'd lost the blue factory key and that I didn't want to go forward with only one. So barring any future boneheadedness on my part I may be ok with what I got.
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The kiosk doesn't say the key is made on the spot, and obviously that's not likely. I expect the box scans your key when you stick it in the slot, gets your money and any model info it needs and then sends the data back to the mother ship where the grinding and programming take place. Then they mail you the key.
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The kiosk doesn't say the key is made on the spot, and obviously that's not likely.
it does

from the developers:

"automated key-cutting"
"sophisticated robotics allow the system to match and print any key in seconds"
"a large physical inventory of key types, the system uses intricate algorithms to assure the exact key match every time"

note: no mention of immobiliser chips

https://www.bench.com/hubfs/Benchmark-content-files/Case%20Studies/Benchmark-KeyMe-Kiosk-Case-Study.pdf
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