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Hey ho!! So looking to put a SIP 2.0 speedo in my 72 Super, just wondering if anyone else on the forum has done it and how cluttered the headset area ends up being, also, whereabouts have you placed the black box? I've just done installing a MY98 on a PX and one of those new Tacho Karacho ones too which turned out pretty cool, I ended up mounting the black box in the horncast near the horn and made a return electrical lead going back into the headset... just sussing it out for the Super at this stage.
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I have one in a VNA and the wiring inside the headset is a lot. Not much room but I made it work. Black box is under the tank.
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Done a friend's Rally. It's a bit of a PITA job but better than fitting a SIP speedo on a V50s. There's enough room, I zip tied the wiring in front of the speedo after I bolted it in place. Power box was installed in space wheel area connected to the regulator (no battery model)...
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SaFiS wrote:
Done a friend's Rally. It's a bit of a PITA job but better than fitting a SIP speedo on a V50s. There's enough room, I zip tied the wiring in front of the speedo after I bolted it in place. Power box was installed in space wheel area connected to the regulator (no battery model)...
Ahh, right!! That sounds like it'll work okay... I've got wiring for bar end indicators but that's only a few wires.
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There is WAY less space in a Super headset than a Rally, or a P, or a US Super.

I glued some velcro just in front of the speedo inside where the casting rises up. There's just enough space to get it in there. Also I found I had to change the plastic cable guide plate to metal as it stopped the speedo going down far enough.

Good to see you back in the Vespas Stuart!
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There is WAY less space in a Super headset than a Rally, or a P, or a US Super.

I glued some velcro just in front of the speedo inside where the casting rises up. There's just enough space to get it in there. Also I found I had to change the plastic cable guide plate to metal as it stopped the speedo going down far enough.

Good to see you back in the Vespas Stuart!
Thanks Ginch. The Super project renewed my love again. It's a great scooter with the P2 lump in it.
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There is an extension cable for the black box so you can put it under the tank.


There's simply not enough space in the headset even for the cables to tuck in especially if you have an external speed sensor instead of the traditional speedo worm.



Here's mine (sorry it's a screenshot from a video and some of the wiring/build is incomplete)



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For me, the extension cable came readily with the speedo but it can be purchased separately:


https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/wire-kit-sip-between-black-box-speedo_50000210?usrc=Speedo%20black%20box
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Ginch wrote:
There is WAY less space in a Super headset than a Rally, or a P, or a US Super.

I glued some velcro just in front of the speedo inside where the casting rises up. There's just enough space to get it in there. Also I found I had to change the plastic cable guide plate to metal as it stopped the speedo going down far enough.

Good to see you back in the Vespas Stuart!
There's even less space under an Allstate VNA with the two piece split headset. Though mine is 90% wired up, i'm still not even sure if i can get the speedo unit to fit.
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There's even less space under an Allstate VNA with the two piece split headset. Though mine is 90% wired up, i'm still not even sure if i can get the speedo unit to fit.
The bunch of wires coming out in one spot don't help, that's for sure.
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Will it be ready for Mooloolaabaaaaaa?
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There's even less space under an Allstate VNA with the two piece split headset. Though mine is 90% wired up, i'm still not even sure if i can get the speedo unit to fit.
It'll fit. It's tight but it fits. Black box has to go under the tank though.
I pushed the wires into that back little channel in the back of the headset. I.E away from the headlight.

Then you just gotta be sure you push them down out of the way so they don't get pinched when you put the top back on.
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Will it be ready for Mooloolaabaaaaaa?
the scooter is all done and rides great... got a SIP 60mm crank to pop in there at some stage but for now it's fine. in terms of fitting the speedo, still undecided. i like the simplicity that comes with the old scooters so should i really mess with it??
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There's even less space under an Allstate VNA with the two piece split headset. Though mine is 90% wired up, i'm still not even sure if i can get the speedo unit to fit.
Here's some photo evidence of my wires
Cram them wires in the back!
Cram them wires in the back!
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Here's some photo evidence of my wires
I suppose i'll just have to massage my wires until it fits then. I was entertaining the idea of 3d printing out a speedo spacer in order to gain some more clearance...something like 1/4" thick, but i'd be concerned that it would detract from the aesthetics of the whole headset.
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I suppose i'll just have to massage my wires until it fits then. I was entertaining the idea of 3d printing out a speedo spacer in order to gain some more clearance...something like 1/4" thick, but i'd be concerned that it would detract from the aesthetics of the whole headset.
Go on... make it look Bodgy!

You could always just use a thick o-ring to test
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