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You can develop a passion for anything later in life. 30 is not a magic age. Male/female doesn't matter. Men and women over 30 learn to ride (and love) motorcycles, climbing mountains, parasailing, skydiving, scuba diving, sailing, painting, sculpting, and on and on. Many of the people on this very forum discovered scooters later in life. How's she going to know unless she tries a bunch of different things?
I quoted you but this is an addition to what you said, for the OP.

In the wise words of Michael Scott- "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"

In that I mean, she'll only know if she likes it if she tries it. All you can do as a good partner is provide the opportunity.
My son loves playing ice hockey, my daughter doesn't. She tried it and doesn't wanna play. Spent a bit of money to find that out. It is what it is, that's what money is for. Experiences. Atmo.
Get her a smallie. If she doesn't enjoy them, move it along. No biggie.
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I am not being a chauvinist here, but for me, I only need the bike under me and the road; don't care about my outfit, or even a helmet (I know, long discussion) and I ride. Don't need a riding buddy, no plans, no destination. I think that applies to most male riders and I'm yet to see a female rider riding solo for fun, tho I know, they are out there
Yeah, we are out there. Some of us even like to ride solo for fun with no particular destination in mind while wearing a killer outfit that matches our helmet
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while wearing a killer outfit that matches our helmet
As you should
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What is it? Seems expensive
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Honda metropolitan - water cooled, 50cc scooter. Meant for intercity riding only, so slow. Limited to about 35 mph.
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Honda metropolitan - water cooled, 50cc scooter Slow, slow, slow. limited to about 35 mph.
Thanks. Obviously I'll pass
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2013 Buddy 125 with about 5,000 miles. They're asking $2,000. New Shinko tires and new battery.

I think they are asking too much right?
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Yeah, we are out there. Some of us even like to ride solo for fun with no particular destination in mind while wearing a killer outfit that matches our helmet
Love it!
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2013 Buddy 125 with about 5,000 miles. They're asking $2,000. New Shinko tires and new battery.

I think they are asking too much right?
that doesn't seem crazy. but once you are at that price point, overpriced is only the matter of a couple hundred bucks give or take. so it's more like wondering if the bike is well cared for and in good nick. If so, then you see what wiggle room they have but be prepared to dish out the $2k. Recent service and fresh tires are a good thing. that's worth a bit of a price premium.
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The scooter market has been weird. Seem like even a 10yo Chinese 150 gets about a grand, and anything really worth having is near $2K. Anything less and you get a Tao Tao that "ran when I parked it".

Truth is, for right around that price point, you could buy a new Lance Cali with a warranty. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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2013 Buddy 125 with about 5,000 miles. They're asking $2,000. New Shinko tires and new battery.

I think they are asking too much right?
Tires plus mounting is at least $200 and add at least $50 for a decent battery. Looks very clean, like it isn't stored outdoors, so I could abide by that price.

Make sure the sticker residue comes off the nose panel though. Try Goo Gone. If not, maybe you can knock off another $100 for a replacement panel.
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+$50 for the Evel Knievel seat.
Get matching helmet
(jumpsuit optional, but I'd go there all day every day.)
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3 years ago I got her a Harley because she wanted a harley lol. We're recently-ish married and she didn't really know me riding motorcycles... Let's say that I had hit a quiet period in my life. So fine I bought the harley (small engine 883) and I took her for a spin and she was in heaven discovering another side of me. Her interest in motorcycles shot through the roof until I started teaching her to ride - dropping the big boy on the ground is no fun lol. I upgraded the clutch to make it smoother, removed the slack on the throttle because she did not like how it would engage "at once" but it didn't help... On the positive side she enjoyed shopping for multiple outfits, helmet, glasses leather jackets, vests padded pants lol

She decided that I wasn't a good teacher... I mean that she wanted to take a proper class. So went to the local dealership which offered a really good class on lowered, "castrated" bikes with safety bars. She felt in love with the idea ,but still wanted me to teach her some more first before taking the class. That was spring 2022.

So when I came across this 1980 Bajaj Barnfind and started riding it and signing up with the Chicago Vespa club she then decided that she wants a scooter so we can ride together. I get it, the Harley is a bit big for her. But IMO, and please correct me if I'm wrong, if you don't have the passion and you're not a seasoned rider by late 30s, chances are that you won't get into riding motorcycles, not even a scooter.

You could still ride together. Its not like the Bajaj is fast.
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Tires plus mounting is at least $200 and add at least $50 for a decent battery. Looks very clean, like it isn't stored outdoors, so I could abide by that price.

Make sure the sticker residue comes off the nose panel though. Try Goo Gone. If not, maybe you can knock off another $100 for a replacement panel.
Probably but it still seems high. This is a 11yo scooter. For just $900 more I can get a brand new Buddy
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LOL! The scooter market is kind of stupid. Here are a couple examples.

It's like people throw darts at the wall to come up with prices. If you are patient and look a lot, you will find a good deal on a good bike.
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Probably but it still seems high. This is a 11yo scooter. For just $900 more I can get a brand new Buddy
I'd figure you'll have at least double that once fees are factored in. Check out sc00ter's recent post regarding the attendant fees for the purchase of his 2023 Buddy. The biggest upside of the new one are the slightly shinier plastics and the multispoke alloy wheels instead of the old steelies.
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Probably but it still seems high. This is a 11yo scooter. For just $900 more I can get a brand new Buddy
it's pretty much exactly like the starter bikes on the motorcycle side.

when I got in on motorcycles, you could buy a honda rebel for $1500-2k all day any day. a new one was only a bit more. but when you wanted out, you could sell it for the same price. age not a factor. same for ninja 250's. sold mine for more than I bought it for by about $200, with 10k more miles on it and 8 years older.
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NPN, I think it's awesome that your wife wants to ride with you. I really appreciate that you're doing the diligence to find the right bike for her across the board.

It ups the chances of her getting into it and, assuming her safety gear isn't all Biker/Leatherboy Cos-Play stuff, has her set up with the otherwise easy-to-skip safety gear, too.
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NPN, I think it's awesome that your wife wants to ride with you. I really appreciate that you're doing the diligence to find the right bike for her across the board.

It ups the chances of her getting into it and, assuming her safety gear isn't all Biker/Leatherboy Cos-Play stuff, has her set up with the otherwise easy-to-skip safety gear, too.
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+$50 for the Evel Knievel seat.
Get matching helmet
(jumpsuit optional, but I'd go there all day every day.)
Beat me to it. Definitely should be ridden with a cape.
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Well I appreciate the levity but I'm not too sure about what you think the above scooter is worth. The biggest thing for me is that it's 125cc and it does not require a motorcycle license
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So what would you recommend for something along these lines:
- she's about 5'5
- can drive stickshift/manual but is not seasoned
- ideally I want to her to be able to keep up with me (Bajaj/Vespa Sprint) but I know it would take some time
- MY budget is about $3k
- I posted here as I don't mind getting her older/old school Vespa that I can service and repair if needed
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Seems like the possibilities suggested are all over the board. I'd like to contribute but let's narrow the focus w/ your original list in mind. First dividing line to sort is gearshift or belt drive. Why don't you straight up ask her what she'd prefer, assuming the gearshift bike shifted easily and clutched like butter (it IS possible!).

Your budget should allow for a well sorted shifty if that's what you decide. A newer Vespa Super or smallframe would be perfect sizewise as already mentioned, but I'd go for the Super(full disclosure: I have 2) because you already know this motor & you can share spares, while the smallie is a whole different ballgame and you may need to curse a lot more than usual when fiddling with it unless you have small hands .
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That price isn't bad. If the seller leaves the ram mount and disk lock that is money you won't have to spend. The rear rack is an $85 part.
When I had my Buddy 125 for 2 years it became the gateway drug into shifty vespas.
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Why don't you straight up ask her what she'd prefer
You seriously asking this, man?

Ahh when was the last time you got a straight answer from a lady friend/significant other The answer is that she doesn't know. Does she think it's cool to ride manual? Hell ya, does she wants to practice manual so she can ride my Harley? You bet ya! But does she feel comfortable, safe and is she willing to take the time and master it? Facepalm emoticon
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That price isn't bad. If the seller leaves the ram mount and disk lock that is money you won't have to spend. The rear rack is an $85 part.
When I had my Buddy 125 for 2 years it became the gateway drug into shifty vespas.
Thanks man. Are the mirrors extra? I really hate that Chicago flag or whatever seat. That really has to go and also I'm looking at getting it delivered. It's about 25-30 miles away and I can't ride in the low 30s in Chicago right now.
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I second the hate on that seat cover! Might be cheaper to have an upholstery guy just replace the top strip.🤷🏼‍♂️
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You seriously asking this, man?

Ahh when was the last time you got a straight answer from a lady friend/significant other The answer is that she doesn't know. Does she think it's cool to ride manual? Hell ya, does she wants to practice manual so she can ride my Harley? You bet ya! But does she feel comfortable, safe and is she willing to take the time and master it? Facepalm emoticon
I took my friend to a school parking lot on a weekend so he could learn how to shift. I know, I know, I said he. Also took my now wife to a parking lot to learn how to drive stick and we haven't had a manual car since…
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Thanks man. Are the mirrors extra? I really hate that Chicago flag or whatever seat. That really has to go and also I'm looking at getting it delivered. It's about 25-30 miles away and I can't ride in the low 30s in Chicago right now.
Regarding the seat. I had a cover for my buddy done bu Suzy at Cheeky Seats https://scooterseatcovers.net/
The mirrors on there are the standard. I have a strange thing about mirrors having ridden my motorcycles for years with bar end mirrors so I chanced them out for CGR bar ends. http://constructorsrg.com/mirrors/hindsight.html
I would use them on the Vespas but it takes some modification to the headset tubes that is beyond my skill set.
The stock mirrors are best for a new rider.
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You seriously asking this, man?

Ahh when was the last time you got a straight answer from a lady friend/significant other The answer is that she doesn't know. Does she think it's cool to ride manual? Hell ya, does she wants to practice manual so she can ride my Harley? You bet ya! But does she feel comfortable, safe and is she willing to take the time and master it? Facepalm emoticon
Proper lessons on something smaller than the harley sound like the best way fowards. Then maybe a small bike so she can get some confidence before going up to something bigger. And is it your harley or her harley? that could be some of the problem.
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And is it your harley or her harley? that could be some of the problem.
Well, I paid for it, serviced it and paid some more for upgrades and stuff. It's a Sportster, so not my thing, still I ride it most of the time and with her on the back twice last summer. She can't ride it, period.

A lot has been said here. I'm getting her an automatic one. Will think about the one above and just be done with it. Then it's on her. Riding is no joke. People think it's easy when it's a scooter, but it's not. I started riding when I was 15 and I know what it takes to be safe on the road.
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I decided to pull the trigger on the white scooter above. The seller lowered the price to $1,500 so I'm happy.

She says it most likely won't start as it's been sitting in the cold.

Anything I should pay attention to? Anything obvious etc?
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I think you got a good deal.

Possible reasons it won't start include: dead battery, weak battery, gummed up carburetor, bad gas, mouse in exhaust pipe (yes, it happens).

Before you try to start it be sure there's oil in the crankcase. Check the oil. First, try to start it normally with just the battery, as is. (Put it up on the center stand and raise the side stand. Be sure the kill switch is on Run, and hold one of the brake levers when you start it. Maybe a little too much information here, but if you're coming from the "shifty" world this may not be obvious...and it's easy for anyone to forget sometimes!) If it starts and runs... you're good! On to regular inspections of the brakes, tires, hub oil, lights, etc.

If it doesn't start for you, make note of what it's doing or not doing and come back here. You may need to charge, or replace, the battery (even new ones can run down and won't recharge if they've been sitting a long time). Listen for the starter relay clicking, and see that the brake lights come on when you squeeze each brake lever. If the engine turns over but doesn't start and run, you may need to drain out the old gas and clean the carb, but I'll leave it at that for now.

Good luck!
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I think you got a good deal.

Possible reasons it won't start include: dead battery, weak battery, gummed up carburetor, bad gas, mouse in exhaust pipe (yes, it happens).

Before you try to start it be sure there's oil in the crankcase. Check the oil. First, try to start it normally with just the battery, as is. (Put it up on the center stand and raise the side stand. Be sure the kill switch is on Run, and hold one of the brake levers when you start it. Maybe a little too much information here, but if you're coming from the "shifty" world this may not be obvious...and it's easy for anyone to forget sometimes!) If it starts and runs... you're good! On to regular inspections of the brakes, tires, hub oil, lights, etc.

If it doesn't start for you, make note of what it's doing or not doing and come back here. You may need to charge, or replace, the battery (even new ones can run down and won't recharge if they've been sitting a long time). Listen for the starter relay clicking, and see that the brake lights come on when you squeeze each brake lever. If the engine turns over but doesn't start and run, you may need to drain out the old gas and clean the carb, but I'll leave it at that for now.

Good luck!
Thanks man. I'll surely report progress/problems here but what about anything that could be a deal breaker? Something that should make me walk away from this?
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Something that should make me walk away from this?
Wife doesn't like it?...
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Thanks man. I'll surely report progress/problems here but what about anything that could be a deal breaker? Something that should make me walk away from this?
Oh, you haven't bought it yet? If you can, try to start it, as I said above. Don't be too surprised or concerned if it doesn't start and run; the battery could be dead. You could perhaps try jump-starting from a car battery. (Don't have the car running when you do this!)

But before you try to start it, check the oil! If there's no oil in the engine, that could be a red flag, a sign of neglect. From the picture though, it looks like it's in good shape, so I don't think there's likely to be a damaged frame or bodywork. You could try pushing it (if it doesn't start) and see if it tracks true. Look at the engine; see that it's reasonably clean. Lots of leaked oil would be a bad sign. That's all I can think of off-hand.
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I owned and rode some mediocre scooters and some top tier ones. To me for that price a GTS250 is a high quality scooter. I also love the LX150 and primaveras, as a matter of fact, the Vespa LX150s are actually a decent size.

Typically women are shorter and they ride better on lower seats. The Buddy's are great scooters, I owned a 125cc and they have a very respectable get and and go acceleration.

Nothing on a 50cc that I can recommend, sorry. Unless you are strictly in a very urban heavy traffic scenario the 50cc aren't capable or safe for a hwy, rural road.

I test drove a SYm Evo and they are freaking fast. They are a 14" wheel with a ceramic coating 175 cylinder and they move. Aprilia/vespa also has some nice 14" wheel scooters in the 200-350cc worth looking.

Finally, the shifty vespas. Not sure if she would like that. I think the automatic (CVT) 150cc+ 4 strokes are more suitable for her.
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Wife doesn't like it?...
Lol what do women want is the greatest mystery ever! She's not as happy as I am but she'll end up customizing it with stickers and who knows what else.

I got the bug I'm sure, so what's one more 2 wheeler in the garage
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npn wrote:
Thanks man. I'll surely report progress/problems here but what about anything that could be a deal breaker? Something that should make me walk away from this?
Oh yeah, one other thing. For me, it's gotta have a title. None of this "lost it, but it's easy to get" BS.

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