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just to be clear that I'm being a bad influence, but I'm thinking cut-down....
*gets the spray bottle*

bad John! no! no!
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*gets the spray bottle*

bad John! no! no!
well 1/4" isn't going away easily, maybe 3" and 2 3/4" going away on each side can get it into a straight line Laughing emoticon
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*gets the spray bottle*

bad John! no! no!
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well 1/4" isn't going away easily, maybe 3" and 2 3/4" going away on each side can get it into a straight line Laughing emoticon
It'll be fine. And if it's not, I'll make it fine. I'm going to have to patch those areas in the curves anyway, so you'll never even notice.
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I'm going to have to patch those areas in the curves anyway, so as compared to my crappy patching you'll never even notice.
Fixed it.

Also, this happened.

Ray8 was spot on with the big torch. After setting it all on fire, I was able to grind off easily 85% of it, and I just need to go back and put more heat on the areas I missed to finish the job. The paint just fell off when I hit it with the wire wheel.

In about an hour and a half, I did as much as I accomplished in two days using less photogenic methods.

lookit all that safety gear!
lookit all that safety gear!
Less filling...works great!
Less filling...works great!
A little bit still to do, but wow!
A little bit still to do, but wow!
Before
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that's awesome, it's like a flamethrower.

i'm wondering if it harms the metal at all? how hot is too hot?

i still think there are well done cut downs and those that are... not.

i'd trust someone like Vader to cut down my scoot any day of the week. it would come back better than I'd ever dream. but it takes talent.
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Well you nailed the performance art bit.

And the photo is quite evocative.

It needs a title.

Scooters of the Corn?

Vespocalypse?

I doubt it gets the metal that hot. Paint can be torched off wood.
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Heavy rattle can over OG paint took more heat than some latex on an old board, but I was still able to handle the pieces pretty much straight away with my big welding gauntlets on.

The heat worked to some extent on the other side of the panels from where I hit it with the torch, but I still had to do both sides to get the full effect.

On areas where I didn't get good heat, though, I'll have to go back over it to get all the paint off.

The thing I found most surprising about it all was how loud the torch was.

And that picture is an exported frame from the video, of course, so lots more where that came from. Razz emoticon
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Definitely looks like a flame thrower…!
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Definitely looks like a flame thrower…!
Only when it's not firing. Flamethrowers are basically napalm-shooting super-soakers. Razz emoticon

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Wow. I like the way that came out. I would love to try that some day and then clear coat it.
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Wow. I like the way that came out. I would love to try that some day and then clear coat it.
PheasantPlucker and FridayMatinee have both done it. It looks sharp.
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I was thinking of you when I spilled a bunch of reducer all over my 220v garage heater. Not the best paint mixing table. I waited for it to evaporate before turning it back on as per OSHA guidelines.
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I was thinking of you when I spilled a bunch of reducer all over my 220v garage heater. Not the best paint mixing table. I waited for it to evaporate before turning it back on as per OSHA guidelines.
ROFL emoticon

OSHA is overrated.
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PheasantPlucker and FridayMatinee have both done it. It looks sharp.
I love that clear coated bare metal look!
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I love that clear coated bare metal look!
Patina has been popular for a long time…

I think having a sleeper scooter that looked like it had been set on fire in an underpass in Detroit would represent both a distinct and significant evolution of motoring esthetic.
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Patina has been popular for a long time…

I think having a sleeper scooter that looked like it had been set on fire in an underpass in Detroit would represent both a distinct and significant evolution of motoring esthetic.
Too late for "burn it, then just clear coat it" for me. And it definitely had the rat aesthetic down pat beforehand. The bare metal + clearcoat isn't really an option on this one since it's going to have a bunch of ugly-ass welds from the floorboard repairs.
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Too late for "burn it, then just clear coat it" for me. And it definitely had the rat aesthetic down pat beforehand. The bare metal + clearcoat isn't really an option on this one since it's going to have a bunch of ugly-ass welds from the floorboard repairs.
I'd vote for nice paint, resto mod, custom, whatever tickles your fancy. It's a blank canvas, so have some fun.
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Too late for "burn it, then just clear coat it" for me. And it definitely had the rat aesthetic down pat beforehand. The bare metal + clearcoat isn't really an option on this one since it's going to have a bunch of ugly-ass welds from the floorboard repairs.
Then you could maybe go for the Indo rat- scoot look. ROFL emoticon , Kidding of course, it's your scoot to do what you see fit.
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Then you could maybe go for the Indo rat- scoot look. ROFL emoticon , Kidding of course, it's your scoot to do what you see fit.
I'd need a lot more engines, wheels, and a full crew for that. Razz emoticon

I'm sticking with my resto-mod plan and hoping for the best for now.
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Color is decided? Citrus?
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Color is decided? Citrus?
It's decided, but it'll be a mystery for now.
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I thought this color was mentioned previously? Spoiler alert below if you zoom in









pale blue ?
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I thought this color was mentioned previously?
I have the paint and it's going to be a little different than I was originally planning for, but you're in the ballpark.
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Then you could maybe go for the Indo rat- scoot look. ROFL emoticon , Kidding of course, it's your scoot to do what you see fit.
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That must be a long range scoot, bedroll and canteen!
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That must be a long range scoot, bedroll and canteen!
Also handy while you wait for someone to come pick you up.
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While I haven't really been posting, I've still been making some progress.

First, I solved my engine door problem in the lowest risk way possible...

Then, I confirmed that the frame was, in fact, straight, and you can see the moment I realized my floorboard is really too narrow.

I did some panel beating tonight and started figuring out my go-forward plan.

More to come (of course).
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While I haven't really been posting, I've still been making some progress.

First, I solved my engine door problem in the lowest risk way possible...

Then, I confirmed that the frame was, in fact, straight, and you can see the moment I realized my floorboard is really too narrow.

I did some panel beating tonight and started figuring out my go-forward plan.

More to come (of course).
I was thinking you could do a cut on each side of the front of the floor panel parallel to the frame tunnel. Not the whole length, just a few inches or enough so it gradually tapers wider. Spread the cuts apart until the front edge is the same width as the legshield and weld them up. Just a thought.
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I was thinking you could do a cut on each side of the legshield front parallel to the frame tunnel. Not the whole length, just a few inches. Spread the cuts apart until the front edge is the same width as the legshield. Just a thought.
I'm going to do something similar, but since I'm expecting I'll need to make patch sections right where the legshield and floorboard will join anyway, I'll use the patch to close at least some of the gap.

For now, I'm still just experimenting using cardboard templates. Maybe I'll make some real progress this weekend.
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Some ideas:

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Some ideas:
Yeah, but we already agreed: No Cutdowns. Do you want Greasy to spray you with his squirt bottle?
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It just popped into my head. Your Native American name is "One Who Throws Flames".
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Nothing like terrible weather to get a guy into the workshop, and we definitely have some terrible weather right now.. 6" of snow and single digit temps might be "leave some extra time for your commute" in Chicago, but here it's so brutal that even the liquor stores were closed.

Nevertheless, I finally decided it was time to JFDI (Just Fucking Do It) with the Smallstate's floorboard, especially since worrying about it has cost me sleep the past two nights.

So I double-checked my center line and the alignment of the floorboard, then cut it to fit the curves and started welding. Plug welding went great. Win.

I tried the 45 degree cut of the sheet metal, though, and it was a freakin' fiasco. I wound up with a huge gap, so I had to build the gap back up one spot weld at a time.

Eventually, I got it all built back up and started grinding, but by then I was late for Happy Hour, so it'll have to wait for tomorrow night before I try the next section.

Right now, I'm more concerned about how I'm going to handle matching up the edges, but I'll burn through that bridge when I can't avoid it any longer.

Regardless, it's progress, which is what needed to happen.
More to grind, and that edge mismatch.  FML.
More to grind, and that edge mismatch. FML.
Before it all went to hell
Before it all went to hell
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i know you won't use my suggestion here, but I'm just saying Andre the giant stickers really do solve a lot. Less destructive than cutting it down.

https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Andr%C3%A9-the-Giant-Has-a-Posse-Classic-Perfect-Gift-by-stenphanie/89651279.EJUG5

I'm really interested to see how you fix it, but I believe in you - you can do it.
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I think I can blend the edge. Need to make a new legshield edge crimper, though.
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More progress last night. The right side of the floorboard is done for now and I did most of the center section.

I have to do a second round along the right side of the center section tonight, but that won't be a big deal. I also have the tunnel underneath that section, so I'm not just butt welding right there.

Rather than use my angle grinder, I used a cutoff wheel on the Dremel to match the panels. That was almost too narrow, but that was MUCH easier to deal with (just grind the edges until it all fits) than the nightmare of bridging a 1/4" gap.

Tonight, I expect I'll finish the center and at least start, if not do, the left side.

At some point, I need to decide exactly how I'm going to handle blending the edges. I think they'll go together without looking too weird, at least not too weird for a 10-from-10 build.

Because it's freezing cold out, I've been grinding inside the workshop. I may never get all the grinder dust out. And because I have to choose either my face shield or my ear protectors, my face feels like it was sandblasted.

Final note...I'll defer to the judges, but I miiiiight have reset the disaster clock.

While welding, a spark flew over my shoulder and landed in a trash can about four feet behind me and started a small fire. I took it outside and smothered it with snow before it really got going (what is it with me and using snow to put out fires?), but I still would not recommend the experience.

As an added penalty, the shop now smells like burnt plastic & paper towels in addition to that unique blacksmith's forge-y welding/grinding smell.
right side finished-ish, center tacked in
right side finished-ish, center tacked in
build up some spot welds
build up some spot welds
grind.  You can see where I need to re-do the left edge, but the right edge and across the top look good.
grind. You can see where I need to re-do the left edge, but the right edge and across the top look good.
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Final note...I'll defer to the judges, but I miiiiight have reset the disaster clock.

While welding, a spark flew over my shoulder and landed in a trash can about four feet behind me and started a small fire. I took it outside and smothered it with snow before it really got going (what is it with me and using snow to put out fires?), but I still would not recommend the experience.

As an added penalty, the shop now smells like burnt plastic & paper towels in addition to that unique blacksmith's forge-y welding/grinding smell.
I'd argue that since this didn't result in self-immolation or a structure fire, let the clock rock on.

Kudos on the progress!
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TheExploder wrote:
Final note...I'll defer to the judges, but I miiiiight have reset the disaster clock.

While welding, a spark flew over my shoulder and landed in a trash can about four feet behind me and started a small fire. I took it outside and smothered it with snow before it really got going (what is it with me and using snow to put out fires?), but I still would not recommend the experience.
I will be voting no on the reset too.

While a fire event can be cause for a reset, the small nature of a trash can fire is not catastrophic enough to warrant the Explosion Clock to return to zero. As long as no eyebrows were consumed in flame, no structure was significantly/irreparably damaged, no pets or wildlife injured, and no stop-drop-and-roll occurred.... we will file this under "minor incidence", cross reference - "combustibles".

Welding looks good man. Nice work.
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