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Am I the only one using active noise-cancelling earbuds? I work in a very loud environment. Grind metal pretty much every day for a few hours.
Also great for riding, once you're sure you've sorted things out on it.
I wear Bose active noise cancelling earbuds under my earmuffs when I know I'm going to be doing seriously noisy stuff.

I've tried to wear them for riding, too, but my helmet fits too close to my ears and I can't get the helmet on without knocking them out of position.
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I wear Bose active noise cancelling earbuds under my earmuffs when I know I'm going to be doing seriously noisy stuff.

I've tried to wear them for riding, too, but my helmet fits too close to my ears and I can't get the helmet on without knocking them out of position.
I can't imagine that any of your bikes are unusually loud..... ROFL emoticon
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They're stealthy.

As in you'll never hear them coming...because you're deaf!
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They're stealthy.

As in you'll never hear them coming...because you're deaf!
white noise principle?
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Precisely. Until it lets go at speed. Then it switches to a brown note generator.
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Precisely. Until it lets go at speed. Then it switches to a brown note generator.
I'm well versed in the brown note generator...
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Today was one of those "nothing interesting, just moving the project forward" afternoons in the workshop.

I welded up and ground down the pinholes in the legshield (what Lincoln Electric giveth, Makita taketh away), hammered out most of the dents in the frame and legshield, wire wheeled the rust and paint off the fork, and various other minor bodywork tasks.

I'm now transitioning from tasks that use an angle grinder to tasks that use the Dremel. Soon, it'll be paint prep time for reals, and then the real fun can begin.
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May I take the liberty to incept some thoughts of the Italian variety?

Saw this a few times, thought it might be good for you seeing you're at bare metal.

These frame reinforcements are for engines that would definitely be more powerful than ours…
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CM2 and I had discussed doing a wire around the legshield and floorboard. If nothing else, to help stiffen the legshield. Doing it around the inside of the frame is also pretty much a no-brainer if I'm doing, especially since, as you noted, it's at bare metal right now.

I wonder how legshield trim will fit over the wire on the legshield. Probably well enough since it's on the backside, where there's a gap anyway.

Looks like I'll be making a run to the hardware store sooner than later, I'm thinking.
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I wonder how legshield trim will fit over the wire on the legshield. Probably well enough since it's on the backside, where there's a gap anyway.

Wondered the same thing too.

With the legsheild, something tells me it'll just be painted. But could be wrong.

Given the choice, I'd definitely reinforce if possible, especially between the spine and legsheild. Even now, I'm seeing paint cracks around the floorboard where things are flexing…
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108 - what's going on here (pic below)
Did they show what they did?
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108 - what's going on here (pic below)
Did they show what they did?
That looks like it might just be a repair, unless they added a stiffener or skid plate on the other side or something.
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108 - what's going on here (pic below)
Did they show what they did?
Not sure fellas… video (IG story) was just a pan of the work. Something tells me there's a reinforcement inside, and maybe a patch underneath…

Dammit I knew I should've noted where the video came from… can't find it now…
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Looked to me like they might have had the floorboard off and used the wire to stiffen.

There is a weld that appears to be from the backside of the raised tunnel area.

Anyway - cool!
Thanks for posting.
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You can see that there's a brace inside the tunnel where the cross-body welds are. Maybe they replaced or otherwise upgraded that section of the frame.
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Yup. Looks right.
I'm going to say they put wire along the tunnel floorboard intersection, and in a u shape on top of that reinforcement you are showing.

Interesting.

CM - if u can find some scrap rods or rounds of some kind - it would help u bend the steel to shape.
Also great opportunity yo get out that flame thrower of a torch u like to burn garages down with.
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CM - if u can find some scrap rods or rounds of some kind - it would help u bend the steel to shape.
Also great opportunity yo get out that flame thrower of a torch u like to burn garages down with.
You had me at "get out that flamethrower."

Seriously, though, I'm going to do some experimentation with some wire I have on hand and see what I think.

In the meantime, FedEx finally admitted that they lost my package today, so now I'm waiting on Scooter-Center to agree and let me know how they're going to handle the refund so the cycle of re-ordering and waiting can begin anew.
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Lots of non-obvious progress today. Hammed out a bunch of dents, including where the mudguard was absolutely caved in from some sort of accident involving speed and rough pavement.

I tried out my new slapper and was absolutely awed by how the dent just melted back into shape. Truly a game changer bodywork tool.

Lots of other little dents, plus the Dremel-scale paint stripping.

Final act for the day was hitting everything with Ospho.

Assuming I make it back out to the workshop, I'll be fitting the floor rails and beginning paint prep.

Just in time to be left without adult supervision for a week and a half or so!
After.  I'll have to find a "before" pic, but it was ugly
After. I'll have to find a "before" pic, but it was ugly
The Slapper.  It slaps.
The Slapper. It slaps.
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I tried out my new slapper and was absolutely awed by how the dent just melted back into shape. Truly a game changer bodywork tool.
They are amazing. I made one from an old file. I think the rough surface helps a little like a shrink hammer.
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Lots of non-obvious progress today. Hammed out a bunch of dents, including where the mudguard was absolutely caved in from some sort of accident involving speed and rough pavement.

I tried out my new slapper and was absolutely awed by how the dent just melted back into shape. Truly a game changer bodywork tool.

Lots of other little dents, plus the Dremel-scale paint stripping.

Final act for the day was hitting everything with Ospho.

Assuming I make it back out to the workshop, I'll be fitting the floor rails and beginning paint prep.

Just in time to be left without adult supervision for a week and a half or so!
Are you using a form dolly or a shot bag on the back of the dent? I have the same tool for my LX and GTS projects, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet.
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I'm using a form dolly. Dolly goes directly under the dent and then you work it around the edges with the slapper.
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May even try it for bodywork...
Will you sand it back off before prime?!?
I thought epoxy was questionable on top of ospho.

Mud guard looks good!
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I'm using a form dolly. Dolly goes directly under the dent and then you work it around the edges with the slapper.
Grazié. If the weather cooperates, I may try slapping out the side of the LX this week.
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I'm using a form dolly. Dolly goes directly under the dent and then you work it around the edges with the slapper.
I need to see a vid to understand Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Razz emoticon
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Check this out. The first one to watch is where he shows you how to make the slapper ("car dent repair (No filler) training") and then 2 on. Actually working on a Vespa through that little series of vids. Great stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/@restolad/search?query=Deep%20dents%3A%20Car%20dent%20repair%20training%20

https://www.youtube.com/@restolad/search?query=Deep%20dents%3A%20Car%20dent%20repair%20training%20
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Restolad is a definite must-watch, especially because he addresses some relatively vespa-specific challenges.

I got interested in the slapper after watching a few different videos and discovered two great channels.

First is MetalShaperTom. He also has cool stuff like a video of how me made a handheld English Wheel out of a couple of ball bearings and some setup clamps.

Here's his slapper video
Second is B.A.M.F. (Be A Metal Fabricator), which is a dude in New Mexico who does AMAZING work on custom cars.

I feel like most of what I do fabrication-wise falls into his "Don't do this!" category, but that's why I watch him. Razz emoticon

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Today was washing everything off, fitting the floor rails and legshield trim, grinding the things forgot to grind, welding up where I drilled too much getting the choke off, and so on.

I have half a mind to just clearcoat it as is, but think I'd regret it before it was ready for another teardown, so I'll probably stick with Plan A. Still...
It looks better wet, but...
It looks better wet, but...
Didn't forget to do them before paint this time
Didn't forget to do them before paint this time
With the trim, I start to think shiny n' pretty might be the way after all
With the trim, I start to think shiny n' pretty might be the way after all
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I can see the draw of metal finish.
It sorta suits the owner in its own way as well…
Farmers hole?
Farmers hole?
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What could possibly go wrong?
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You did a great job on the transition from the legshield to the new floor. It looks super and you haven't even done any filler work.
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What could possibly go wrong?
The acetone's just hangin' in the background, waiting on his over-under for the explosion counter to come into the money. We have an agreement though. He'll split the winnings with me or my widow when it hits.
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You did a great job on the transition from the legshield to the new floor. It looks super and you haven't even done any filler work.
It looks better in pictures that real life, IMO, but with the floor rails and trim, it's going to be pretty well hidden. I should've left a little more material for more curvature on the righthand side, but for my first run at this sort of thing, I'm pretty happy.

Next up is setting up the paint booth and laying down DTM epoxy. Exciting stuff, for sure.
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So do u have to do something about the ospho before primer?
(Thought I had already posted that. )
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So do u have to do something about the ospho before primer?
(Thought I had already posted that. )
I washed it and scrubbed it with a stiff nylon brush. At this point, it's all just galvanizing, which seems gives good tooth for the paint in my experience. You have to get all the residue off, though, or it'll show through. I made that mistake on the GL, but fortunately on the inside of the cowl, so it was an easy lesson.

Then clean it with soap & water, then acetone, then mineral spirits, then alcohol. Finally, tack cloth and paint.

I'll wind up sanding that all down with 400 grit after I do the filler work, then clean it again before I shoot the color coat.

I'm being left without adult supervision for ten days or so as of tomorrow, so things could move pretty fast this week if nothing goes awry.
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I just remembered that I still need to cut a hole for the brake pedal. Compared to that, forgetting to pre-form the floor rails would be nothing.
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I'm being left without adult supervision for ten days or so as of tomorrow, so things could move pretty fast this week if nothing goes awry.
*Makes note to have extra staffing on the explosion clock monitoring team*
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I don't see why. It's just aerosolized light hydrocarbons combined with a few other things like acetone and mineral spirits. What could possibly go wrong? ROFL emoticon
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I don't see why. It's just aerosolized light hydrocarbons combined with a few other things like acetone and mineral spirits. What could possibly go wrong? ROFL emoticon
* in a poorly center area with cold air inversion
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I have officially entered the "it's always something" stage of the project. For today, the Something was realizing that I'd forgotten to cut a hole in the new floorboard for the rear brake pedal.

Luckily, because I have hoarder in my DNA, I hadn't thrown away the old section with part of the brake hole in it. So using that and a template I made out of cardboard, I was able to confirm the location of the hole and, once I get a 1" hole saw, I'll be back in business.

After that, it'll be time for paint. Unless I find or think of something else...
Old floorboard, maybe in the right place
Old floorboard, maybe in the right place
cardboard template
cardboard template
New hole.  Who dis?
New hole. Who dis?
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