Bill Dog wrote:
Do you think ?
I'd suggest that HD, Suzuki, Ducati, Aprilia, Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Indian, Moto Guzzi, Royal Enfield , Kymco and the majority of BMW products are the best they've ever been.
At the bottom of the reliable list for me are Benelli and KTM. Maybe a Can Am.
I'd suggest that HD, Suzuki, Ducati, Aprilia, Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Indian, Moto Guzzi, Royal Enfield , Kymco and the majority of BMW products are the best they've ever been.
At the bottom of the reliable list for me are Benelli and KTM. Maybe a Can Am.
Anyhow, Harley - the new engine is better in many ways. It's like they finally came into the light of realizing that the same old, same old, wasn't going to be working much longer. The actually big improvement was years ago with the Evolution engine. But other engines, like the Two Cam was designed to cut corners on the build and it showed. The cheapy chrome parts were awful, breaking easily upon disassembly to work on the machine. Other parts suffered as well. plastic parts inside the engine would fatigue and disintegrate. What is keeping the company afloat is the big CVO's, but that can't last. I hope the new guy can turn it around and avoid what happened to KTM.
The big four - Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Yamaha always stood for quality. And they still do depending on where the machine is made. Compare a bike made in Japan to one, say, made in somewhere else and it's easy to see the difference. The phrase " Built to a price point" comes to mind, but that has always been the case. Many of these are built in the place where the market is hot with local labor keeping the price down and also avoiding the import tariffs and taxes, making it affordable for the home crowd. But when exported to the rest of the larger world, some of the components just come off as cheap.
I can't tell you anything about Ducati, Moto Guzzi and Aprilia as they are above my pay grade. Throw BMW - a brand I have owned in the past, several times and was always happy with, - in there too,. I just haven't had the chance to ride or wrench on anything newer than an airhead. The used BMW prices seem very reasonable over here, so I may get a chance to own one again.
Royal Enfield had no way to go but up - and they sure did. But they still have a way to go to catch up to the Big Four, but they are gaining. There are a lot of used ones for sale with less than 3,000 miles on them, so I guess not too popular. The younger riders are not used to under square, long stroke engines, so that contributes to it as well, I guess.
Triumph - I had old ones and a newer (2008) one. Nothing with FI. But again, they had no where to go but up. Much like Harley, the lack of quality shows in some of the models not made in the home company. I'll just end this here and say no more.


