@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
znomit wrote:
Refrigerated seat.
now ya talking
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
SteelBytes wrote:
now ya talking
Jet yourself down to Jaycar for some peltiers. Let us know how you get on.
@jon651 avatar
UTC

Member
2016 GTS300ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 32
Location: Central Florida
 
Member
@jon651 avatar
2016 GTS300ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 32
Location: Central Florida
UTC quote
Apparently there are a few here who are unhappy with the life span of the drive belt. My suggestion to Vespa would be to use the same type of belts that Harley uses. I owned a '95 Softail Custom and traded it in for a 2009 Electraglide Ultra that I recently sold and never changed the drive belts on either - because neither ever needed it.

If the automotive industry can get timing belts to last 60-100k miles then it appears that Vespa just isn't looking hard enough for a solution! Facepalm emoticon
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
Jon651 wrote:
Apparently there are a few here who are unhappy with the life span of the drive belt. My suggestion to Vespa would be to use the same type of belts that Harley uses. I owned a '95 Softail Custom and traded it in for a 2009 Electraglide Ultra that I recently sold and never changed the drive belts on either - because neither ever needed it.

If the automotive industry can get timing belts to last 60-100k miles then it appears that Vespa just isn't looking hard enough for a solution! Facepalm emoticon
on a CVT the belt has to slide up and down the v-pulleys (variator) - gotta be harder on it. And it's teeth aren't used as teeth to grip so they won't help. And the cvt is enclosed in the case so it gets hot in there
@lomunchi avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2020 Honda NC750DCT
Joined: UTC
Posts: 6936
Location: Maple Grove, MN
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@lomunchi avatar
2020 Honda NC750DCT
Joined: UTC
Posts: 6936
Location: Maple Grove, MN
UTC quote
Special feature: that it creates space for itself in my garage or collapses wafer thin.
My storage is likely my greatest limiter.
@chrisfromcle avatar
UTC

Hooked
2019 Primavera 150, 2019 Honda Super Cub 125, 2017 Honda Metropolitan, 1965 Honda Super Cub 50 CA102
Joined: UTC
Posts: 453
Location: NE Ohio, USA
 
Hooked
@chrisfromcle avatar
2019 Primavera 150, 2019 Honda Super Cub 125, 2017 Honda Metropolitan, 1965 Honda Super Cub 50 CA102
Joined: UTC
Posts: 453
Location: NE Ohio, USA
UTC quote
Jon651 wrote:
… If the automotive industry can get timing belts to last 60-100k miles then it appears that Vespa just isn't looking hard enough for a solution!
I have a POS 2008 Dodge Caliber with a CVT. The tranny is sealed and has no scheduled maintenance. I am at 208,000 miles on that belt.

Piaggio should be able to land somewhere in the middle. Wouldn't you think?

Chris from CLE
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
ChrisFromCLE wrote:
I have a POS 2008 Dodge Caliber with a CVT. The tranny is sealed and has no scheduled maintenance. I am at 208,000 miles on that belt.

Piaggio should be able to land somewhere in the middle. Wouldn't you think?

Chris from CLE
2 seconds of googling https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/dodge-caliber-transmission-problems-poorly-designed-cvt-likely-to-fail-before-100000-miles

YMMV (pun intended)
@bill_dog avatar
UTC

eeeee bip
BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber
Joined: UTC
Posts: 20170
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
 
eeeee bip
@bill_dog avatar
BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber
Joined: UTC
Posts: 20170
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
UTC quote
Just repeat the fact that you have Chrysler Calibre with a CVT and you havn't set light to it yet ?
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
ChrisFromCLE wrote:
I have a POS 2008 Dodge Caliber with a CVT. The tranny is sealed and has no scheduled maintenance. I am at 208,000 miles on that belt.

Piaggio should be able to land somewhere in the middle. Wouldn't you think?

Chris from CLE
What does it weigh?
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
Just did another quick Google on the dodge cvt and it seems it might be a wet cvt not dry like our Vespas. Wonder what that does for the life and heat management ...
@bill_dog avatar
UTC

eeeee bip
BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber
Joined: UTC
Posts: 20170
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
 
eeeee bip
@bill_dog avatar
BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber
Joined: UTC
Posts: 20170
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
UTC quote
The car CVT belt is made of mostly metal rather than the Kevlar scooter version.
OP
@coddy avatar
UTC

Hooked
2021 GTS 300 Supersport, Triumph Tiger 800
Joined: UTC
Posts: 498
Location: Oxford, UK
 
Hooked
@coddy avatar
2021 GTS 300 Supersport, Triumph Tiger 800
Joined: UTC
Posts: 498
Location: Oxford, UK
UTC quote
SteelBytes wrote:
don't need ride by wire for tft and nav. supertech already has these and doesn't have ride by wire.
Maybe not but you do for cruise control.
@nightwing avatar
UTC

Contributor
2007 LX 150 (memories)
Joined: UTC
Posts: 8546
Location: New Hampshire
 
Contributor
@nightwing avatar
2007 LX 150 (memories)
Joined: UTC
Posts: 8546
Location: New Hampshire
UTC quote
Shebalba wrote:
Make it a shifty!
I second that emotion!
@jon651 avatar
UTC

Member
2016 GTS300ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 32
Location: Central Florida
 
Member
@jon651 avatar
2016 GTS300ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 32
Location: Central Florida
UTC quote
SteelBytes wrote:
on a CVT the belt has to slide up and down the v-pulleys (variator) - gotta be harder on it. And it's teeth aren't used as teeth to grip so they won't help. And the cvt is enclosed in the case so it gets hot in there
From an engineering standpoint, the belt being on a variator won't make any difference because when one end gets smaller in diameter the other gets larger. As for a closed compartment, I don't imagine it would get any hotter than attached to the end of a high-revving 4-cylinder motor.

Plus there are a lot of various belts with "teeth" that don't use them as teeth, per se. In many cases, teeth in a belt simply allow it to loop around smaller diameter pulleys. You would think that the strength of the belt would be compromised by having teeth but the reality is a bit different. As it turns out, it's the sloped SIDES of a belt that make contact with the groove in a pulley so the contact area between the two remains high even on a toothed belt on a smaller pulley.

Regardless, when you are only cracking out around 11hp or so, I feel Vespa could have made a better materials choice. Alas, c'est la vie!
@jon651 avatar
UTC

Member
2016 GTS300ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 32
Location: Central Florida
 
Member
@jon651 avatar
2016 GTS300ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 32
Location: Central Florida
UTC quote
100k miles? Hey, I'd take those numbers for a Vespa CVT belt. I'd even accept half of that and still be happy!
@chrisfromcle avatar
UTC

Hooked
2019 Primavera 150, 2019 Honda Super Cub 125, 2017 Honda Metropolitan, 1965 Honda Super Cub 50 CA102
Joined: UTC
Posts: 453
Location: NE Ohio, USA
 
Hooked
@chrisfromcle avatar
2019 Primavera 150, 2019 Honda Super Cub 125, 2017 Honda Metropolitan, 1965 Honda Super Cub 50 CA102
Joined: UTC
Posts: 453
Location: NE Ohio, USA
UTC quote
Bill Dog wrote:
The car CVT belt is made of mostly metal rather than the Kevlar scooter version.
Yes, 100% true. Hermetically sealed in some kind of oily substance.

Typical Chrysler. Drivetrain seems to run forever. Everything bolted on to that seems to leave by one of the three OFFS - break, rust, or fall.
znomit wrote:
What does it weigh?
Less and less each day, see above. I always hesitate before filling with gas - I do not want it to go to the junkyard with a full tank.

Chris from CLE
@olde_rider avatar
UTC

Hooked
Primavera 150
Joined: UTC
Posts: 188
Location: North Central Connecticut
 
Hooked
@olde_rider avatar
Primavera 150
Joined: UTC
Posts: 188
Location: North Central Connecticut
UTC quote
Kick starter for backup, and cruise control would do it for me.
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
Don't the teeth help to dissipate heat?
@jess avatar
UTC

Petty Tyrant
0:7 And counting
Joined: UTC
Posts: 36935
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
@jess avatar
0:7 And counting
Joined: UTC
Posts: 36935
Location: Bay Area, California
UTC quote
Jon651 wrote:
From an engineering standpoint, the belt being on a variator won't make any difference because when one end gets smaller in diameter the other gets larger. As for a closed compartment, I don't imagine it would get any hotter than attached to the end of a high-revving 4-cylinder motor.
Generally speaking, the discipline of science has the exclusive luxury of fantasizing about the behavior of objects in frictionless environments. In the field of engineering, however, we know that frictionless environments are mostly a figment of scientists imaginations, and we have to actually account for those effects.

The belt in a CVT takes a substantial amount of abuse because of its movement up and down the sides of the pulley. The fact that the pulleys change diameter in the process does not eliminate that.

Heat also has a huge impact on belt life, as anyone who has snapped a belt on Cannonball will tell you.
@tszarathusra avatar
UTC

Hooked
Vespa C38 - S50 4T Super.
Joined: UTC
Posts: 247
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
@tszarathusra avatar
Vespa C38 - S50 4T Super.
Joined: UTC
Posts: 247
Location: Netherlands
UTC quote
I might be tempted (not persuaded) by at least 50% larger fuel tank. Preferably double the size. Standard OBD2 connector, so I could put old smartphone on the handlebars and make my own dashboard using OBD2 app like Torque. Cruise control would be nice. Heated grips. Maybe larger wheels. Larger underseat storage. Unlike many I'd be happy with smaller displacement than the current 300 (280) cc. Cooled underseat storage, at least part of it, sounds intriguing.
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
T.S.Zarathusra wrote:
Standard OBD2 connector, so I could put old smartphone on the handlebars and make my own dashboard using OBD2 app like Torque
obd2 connector is standard on HPE and newer and works with generic obd2 devices and apps. (or course I think using the standard/optional bluetooth in a vespa with my app is better
@grahamlml avatar
UTC

Addicted
Vespa GTS 250 , Baotian 70cc rat scooter, Yamaha V50M 1979
Joined: UTC
Posts: 553
Location: Wales
 
Addicted
@grahamlml avatar
Vespa GTS 250 , Baotian 70cc rat scooter, Yamaha V50M 1979
Joined: UTC
Posts: 553
Location: Wales
UTC quote
New feature. Hmm how about simplicity over complication.
@cogind avatar
UTC

Hooked
Vespa GTS 300
Joined: UTC
Posts: 129
Location: SoCal
 
Hooked
@cogind avatar
Vespa GTS 300
Joined: UTC
Posts: 129
Location: SoCal
UTC quote
Somebody has to do it. I should have it running in no time.
Forum member supplied image with no explanatory text
Forum member supplied image with no explanatory text
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
grahamlml wrote:
New feature. Hmm how about simplicity over complication.
get a bicycle with no gears
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
Hey you idiots. You know how this works by now surely. Piaggio have there top men(the women quit) monitoring this forum and do the opposite of what we ask.
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
znomit wrote:
Hey you idiots. You know how this works by now surely. Piaggio have there top men(the women quit) monitoring this forum and do the opposite of what we ask.
or maybe they went "Hey ChatGPT, how can we entice more buyers?" and the answer was "Sell a varsity jacket with a dragon on it"
@gtdespatchcourier avatar
UTC

Molto Verboso
Xevo 250 ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 1638
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
 
Molto Verboso
@gtdespatchcourier avatar
Xevo 250 ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 1638
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
UTC quote
I want a classy looking bike that makes a hot drink. Cappuccino machine in the legshield would be awesome. But I would settle for a built in kettle thingy.
Some hot noodles and cup of hot brown wherever you may ride!!
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
GTdespatchcourier wrote:
I want a classy looking bike that makes a hot drink. Cappuccino machine in the legshield would be awesome. But I would settle for a built in kettle thingy.
Some hot noodles and cup of hot brown wherever you may ride!!
Some device that bolts to the exhaust?
@gtdespatchcourier avatar
UTC

Molto Verboso
Xevo 250 ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 1638
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
 
Molto Verboso
@gtdespatchcourier avatar
Xevo 250 ie
Joined: UTC
Posts: 1638
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
UTC quote
Maybe a big capacitor and electric kettle kinda thing. Or use the radiator fluid or the exhaust. In fact, a toasted sandwich should also be possible.


Scooter ride followed by toasted sandwich and cup of hot brown. I'd be in heaven.
UTC

Banned
Primavera 150
Joined: UTC
Posts: 124
Location: Southwestern Virginia
 
Banned
Primavera 150
Joined: UTC
Posts: 124
Location: Southwestern Virginia
UTC quote
1. A more stable center stand.
2. A "don't even think of f'ing with this bike" alarm!

That might do it for me.
@jess avatar
UTC

Petty Tyrant
0:7 And counting
Joined: UTC
Posts: 36935
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
@jess avatar
0:7 And counting
Joined: UTC
Posts: 36935
Location: Bay Area, California
UTC quote
TwistAndGo wrote:
1. A more stable center stand.
2. A "don't even think of f'ing with this bike" alarm!
1. The existing center stand is quite stable, up to (but not including) malicious intent.
2. Vehicle alarms create noise pollution and lower property values. But hey, at least they have statistically zero impact on vehicle theft, so there's that.
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
jess wrote:
But hey, at least they have statistically zero impact on vehicle theft, so there's that.
I don't think that can be true.
I am soooo tempted to pay someone to steal the neighbours car, whose alarm repeatedly sounds around midnight.
@jess avatar
UTC

Petty Tyrant
0:7 And counting
Joined: UTC
Posts: 36935
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
@jess avatar
0:7 And counting
Joined: UTC
Posts: 36935
Location: Bay Area, California
UTC quote
znomit wrote:
I don't think that can be true.
I am soooo tempted to pay someone to steal the neighbours car, whose alarm repeatedly sounds around midnight.
Statistically speaking, it's in the noise.

[rimshot]
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
znomit wrote:
I don't think that can be true.
I am soooo tempted to pay someone to steal the neighbours car, whose alarm repeatedly sounds around midnight.
Although an alarm may or may not receive theft, my insurance company does give a reduction in the premium of you have one.
@znomit avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@znomit avatar
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: UTC
Posts: 10057
Location: Hermit Kingdom
UTC quote
SteelBytes wrote:
Although an alarm may or may not receive theft, my insurance company does give a reduction in the premium of you have one.
SOMEONE IS PAYING MY NEIGHBOUR TO WAKE ME UP?
@tszarathusra avatar
UTC

Hooked
Vespa C38 - S50 4T Super.
Joined: UTC
Posts: 247
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
@tszarathusra avatar
Vespa C38 - S50 4T Super.
Joined: UTC
Posts: 247
Location: Netherlands
UTC quote
SteelBytes wrote:
obd2 connector is standard on HPE and newer and works with generic obd2 devices and apps. (or course I think using the standard/optional bluetooth in a vespa with my app is better
I was thinking of standard OBD2 connector. Which they don't have. You can buy adapters for the 3 or 4 pin connector that they have. Why not just put the standard connector there? Then you get access to all 9 connected pins. I think it's the good old desire for control. "It's our product. We will not allow buyers to use it in a way that we have not thought of and cannot monetize."

But for me the main issue is the small fuel tank. Or rather the short range that the small fuel tank causes. I'd be just as happy with twice the mpg as twice the size of the tank. Not everyone lives close to a fuel station, or has the desire to fill up twice a week.
Forum member supplied image with no explanatory text
@steelbytes avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@steelbytes avatar
2019 GTS300 Supertech E3 57,000km
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5183
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
UTC quote
T.S.Zarathusra wrote:
I was thinking of standard OBD2 connector. Which they don't have. You can buy adapters for the 3 or 4 pin connector that they have. Why not just put the standard connector there? Then you get access to all 9 connected pins. I think it's the good old desire for control. "It's our product. We will not allow buyers to use it in a way that we have not thought of and cannot monetize."
I suggest you read some of the links on https://www.google.com/search?q=ISO+19689%3A2016

The 6 pin red connector on *current* vespas is a standard connector for obd2. Being different to cars doesn't make it non-standard - euro standards are different for cars vs bikes. It includes pins for canbus, kline and 12v/grnd. (J1850 is not used on any of the vespas).

This is why the cables that connect the red 6 pin to the big old skool connector that you desire are simply straight bits of wire with no electronics and are very cheap. It's like a 9pin vs 25pin RS232

It's also why many of us do use standard odb2 code readers with our vespas. Even Robot has a video on using a generic reader with a vespa.
@wleuthold avatar
UTC

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125: 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Big Ugly), 2023 Vespa GTS300 (Ghost)
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5189
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
@wleuthold avatar
2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125: 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Big Ugly), 2023 Vespa GTS300 (Ghost)
Joined: UTC
Posts: 5189
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
UTC quote
jess wrote:
1. The existing center stand is quite stable, up to (but not including) malicious intent.
2. Vehicle alarms create noise pollution and lower property values. But hey, at least they have statistically zero impact on vehicle theft, so there's that.
Exactly the post I was considering after reading the suggestion.

Thank you, Jess.

Bill
@bill_dog avatar
UTC

eeeee bip
BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber
Joined: UTC
Posts: 20170
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
 
eeeee bip
@bill_dog avatar
BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber
Joined: UTC
Posts: 20170
Location: South East Great England of Britishland
UTC quote
Is the reason that a Harley Davidson drive belt will last forever is because it runs in free air which is really effective for cooling it's surfaces rather than it being run fully enclosed where heat builds up ?

As you say a scooter drive belt is constantly being asked to change its shape and loading which is going to take its toll.
⚠️ Last edited by Bill Dog on UTC; edited 1 time
@tszarathusra avatar
UTC

Hooked
Vespa C38 - S50 4T Super.
Joined: UTC
Posts: 247
Location: Netherlands
 
Hooked
@tszarathusra avatar
Vespa C38 - S50 4T Super.
Joined: UTC
Posts: 247
Location: Netherlands
UTC quote
SteelBytes wrote:
I suggest you read some of the links on https://www.google.com/search?q=ISO+19689%3A2016

The 6 pin red connector on *current* vespas is a standard connector for obd2. Being different to cars doesn't make it non-standard - euro standards are different for cars vs bikes. It includes pins for canbus, kline and 12v/grnd. (J1850 is not used on any of the vespas).

This is why the cables that connect the red 6 pin to the big old skool connector that you desire are simply straight bits of wire with no electronics and are very cheap. It's like a 9pin vs 25pin RS232

It's also why many of us do use standard odb2 code readers with our vespas. Even Robot has a video on using a generic reader with a vespa.
This must be some older model then.
Forum member supplied image with no explanatory text
DoubleGood Design banner

Modern Vespa is the premier site for modern Vespa and Piaggio scooters. Vespa GTS300, GTS250, GTV, GT200, LX150, LXS, ET4, ET2, MP3, Fuoco, Elettrica and more.

Buy Me A Coffee
 

Shop on Amazon with Modern Vespa

Modern Vespa is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com


All Content Copyright 2005-2024 by Modern Vespa.
All Rights Reserved.


[ Time: 0.0497s ][ Queries: 4 (0.0145s) ][ Debug on ][ 313 ][ Thing One ]