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There is talk of a "new engine" with 310cc and rumors of variable valve timing. Whatever that actually means.

Piaggio recently patented a variable valve timing design. This happened soon after Yamaha patented one with two moving parts. Piaggio took a look at it, and figured out a way to add more moving parts, make it more complicated, and achieve the same thing. Helping Piaggio figure out how to make it work will likely be even more fun for beta testers, aka buyers, than the HPE or ESS were when they first came out.
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Piaggio recently patented a variable valve timing design. This happened soon after Yamaha patented one with two moving parts. Piaggio took a look at it, and figured out a way to add more moving parts, make it more complicated, and achieve the same thing. Helping Piaggio figure out how to make it work will likely be even more fun for beta testers, aka buyers, than the HPE or ESS were when they first came out.
After working on Piaggio for a few years I completely understand, Italians were no good a wiring or making thing easy mechanically. They will rely on the common man to work out a fix.
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After working on Piaggio for a few years I completely understand, Italians were no good a wiring or making thing easy mechanically. They will rely on the common man to work out a fix.
There are some brilliant engineers in the Italian auto industry. And left to their own devices, they will come up with an amazing $50,000 Vespa GTS. Then the accountants tell them it's great, but makes them change a few things, so it only costs $2500 to make one.
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It may not be an option for AUS.
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I just saw this on YouTube it mentions 2025 Vespa GTS300 and clearly its different looking but also mentions 278 CC motor

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And this 2025 GTS300 Supertech not sure how real these are but they are different looking. Note the 2 doors on the glove box are as opposed to one door in the current models

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yet another video on 2025 GTS300 Super again mentioning 278CC. Not sure they are real but they look legit all on Youtube

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^^ very comical.

AI at it's worst, don't even have to watch the videos - just look at the gazillion mistakes in the cover pic / title pic / preview / whatever it's called.

It's all about the clicks
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Interesting, and thanks for the reply. How about the clutch and belt for the BV400 or MP3 500? Could they fit the GTS?
(I'm sure if it could be done it would have been, but asking anyway? )
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There are scooters that have both a CVT belt and a drive belt. The drive belt does last about as well as one on a Harley.
As far as the lifespan of Vespa GTS belts, you need to keep in mind that the transmission in the GTS is, for all intents and purposes, the same one that was in the first Leader ET4 125 back in the turn of the century. So the clutch diameter is 134mm, and on a Kymco 300, for instance, it's 153mm. The variator is also larger, and the belt is longer and usually wider on other makes of scooters with similar displacement. Most people don't realize that the variator on the ET4 125, GT 200 and GTS 300 is the same part. The yellow, green and black slide pieces are interchangeable. You could even put one of each color in and they would work fine, but confuse the heck out of whoever worked on the bike next. The HPE has some strengthening to it, but it's basically the same part. So it takes a beating when you stick it in a 300cc engine. The transmission components from other manufacturers are designed for a 300cc liquid cooled scooter, with more range, and longevity.
The Yamaha Vino 125 had a belt change interval of 12000 miles, and looked almost new when you went to change it. The Honda Forza 300 has a belt change interval of 16,000 miles. Because the transmission components were made for the engine that is driving them.
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yet another video on 2025 GTS300 Super again mentioning 278CC. Not sure they are real but they look legit all on Youtube
My spidy senses are tingling.
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Legit? Can't see how the transmission connects to the rear wheel, and the wheel spokes are the old style in the first pictures.
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Legit? Can't see how the transmission connects to the rear wheel, and the wheel spokes are the old style.
The new 310 combines classic styling with revolutionary engineering.
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La nuova Vespa 310 sarà presentata ad ottobre. Mentre all'Eicma di novembre, con buona probabilità ma non ancora sicuro al 100%, verrà presentato il nuovo Beverly 310. Il Beverly 310 avrà circa 34 cv effettivi mentre la Vespa sarà depotenziata a circa 28/30 cv al massimo per migliorare la guidabilita che a potenza piena rischia di renderla piuttosto nervosa e pericolosa. 😎
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Think i better dig in my junk box to find some old D&D dice to roll the latest HP prediction.
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La nuova Vespa 310 sarà presentata ad ottobre. Mentre all'Eicma di novembre, con buona probabilità ma non ancora sicuro al 100%, verrà presentato il nuovo Beverly 310. Il Beverly 310 avrà circa 34 cv effettivi mentre la Vespa sarà depotenziata a circa 28/30 cv al massimo per migliorare la guidabilita che a potenza piena rischia di renderla piuttosto nervosa e pericolosa. 😎
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The new Vespa 310 will be presented in October. While at the Eicma in November, with good probability but not yet 100% sure, the new Beverly 310 will be presented. The Beverly 310 will have about 34 effective hp while the Vespa will be depowered to about 28/30 hp maximum to improve the driveability that at full power risks making it rather nervous and dangerous.
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The new Vespa 310 will be unveiled in October. The new Beverly 310 will most likely, but not yet with 100 percent certainty, be unveiled at Eicma in November. The Beverly 310 will have about 34 actual hp, while the Vespa will be downsized to a maximum of 28/30 hp to improve rideability, which can make it quite nervous and dangerous at full power. 😎
I think that's strange: The Beverley, which is currently only available with the 400cc engine, has 26kw (35.35hp), so a 310 Beverly would come very close to the Beverley 400... I'm not aware of a new engine (unless the 400 Beverly would be dropped, because it would also have to be adapted to Euro 5+). It will also be interesting to see what power the MP3 310 will have.
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I think that's strange: The Beverley, which is currently only available with the 400cc engine, has 26kw (35.35hp), so a 310 Beverly would come very close to the Beverley 400... I'm not aware of a new engine (unless the 400 Beverly would be dropped, because it would also have to be adapted to Euro 5+). It will also be interesting to see what power the MP3 310 will have.
First of all, currently the Beverly exists in both 300 and 400 cc versions. It is clear that the day when the new Beverly 310 with 34 hp will be released in comedy will cease production of the current Beverly 300 and 400 hpe. Only the new Beverly 310 will remain. 😎
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There's a good chance there's some confusion in some of these productions about HP vs Nm ...
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First of all, currently the Beverly exists in both 300 and 400 cc versions.
Yes and no… In some markets (including Germany and the USA), only the 400 Beverley is currently available.
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Yes and no… In some markets (including Germany and the USA), only the 400 Beverley is currently available.
Ah ok, I'm Italian and we're both.
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According to your statement, the Beverley 400 will be discontinued, as the new 310 engine should be almost as powerful as the current 400cc engine. What will happen to the MP3 400 then?
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From what I have been told, the Beverly 300 and 400 hpe are destined to disappear from production and marketing because only the new Beverly 310 will remain. Of course, the 300 and 400 HPE will continue to be sold until stocks are exhausted but once they are finished, they will no longer be produced.
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I think I might buy a Triumph Speed 400 next spring and get 39.5 hp from it's single, and for what? $3500-$4000 less than a new Vespa 278/310, keeping my 'old' 300 HPE, of course.
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I think I might buy a Triumph Speed 400 next spring and get 39.5 hp from it's single, and for what? $3500-$4000 less than a new Vespa 278/310, keeping my 'old' 300 HPE, of course.
The Speed 400 is currently a runaway success for Triumph in the UK.

Whilst originally targeted at younger riders to " get them into the brand" its adoption has been nearly exclusively older experienced riders who fancied a lower weight steed. Younger riders still benefit from a monthly payment circa £70 on pcp.

The 400x scrambler version has a tougher market as the 390/400 soft roader mkt already has established players such as RE KTM Honda and most recently the Chinese brands Voge etc

The Speed 400 will be challenged by the RE Guerrla , but in my opinion its looks , which mimic the Speed Twin will attract a loyal following to the brand. I can see one in my future.


Anyway back to the Vespa 310…….
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Interesting, and thanks for the reply. How about the clutch and belt for the BV400 or MP3 500? Could they fit the GTS?

No.
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Buongiorno ragazzi, notizia proprio di ieri, la nuova Vespa 310 verrà presentata ad ottobre tra il 19 e il 26. Non sarà depotenziata, così come avevano detto in precedenza, ma avrà potenza piena e cioè 34 cv. In questi giorni mi diranno se esteticamente resterà del tutto invariata o se riceverà un leggero restyling. Le ruote resteranno da 12 pollici. Il display sarà completamente digitale con tutto integrato anche il navigatore. Dovrebbe costare circa 4-500 euro in più rispetto all'attuale Vespa Gts hpe.
Per il momento queste sono le ultimissime notizie, in questi giorni spero di farvi avere altre notizie. 👋
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Good morning guys, news just yesterday, the new Vespa 310 will be presented in October between 19 and 26. It will not be depowered, as they had said before, but it will have full power and that is 34 hp. These days they will tell me if it will remain completely unchanged aesthetically or if it will receive a slight restyling. The wheels will remain 12 inches. The display will be fully digital with everything integrated even the navigator. It should cost around EUR 4-500 more than the current Vespa GTS hpe.
For the moment these are the latest news, these days I hope to give you more news. 👋
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For the moment these are the latest news, these days I hope to give you more news. 👋
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I can inform myself this and I'll let you know.
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34 hp
Every day it gets more powerful. It must be going to the gym a lot.

Approx 10% more cc giving 50% more power.

Maybe it has a turbo?
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Every day it gets more powerful. It must be going to the gym a lot.

Approx 10% more cc giving 50% more power.

Maybe it has a turbo?
Look, no gym because the 310 engine was born with 34 hp. This is the latest news directly from Pontedera. Unfortunately, when you test a vehicle, you do a lot of tests. Until some time ago they tried to de-enhance it to about 29/30 hp but now they tried to leave all 34 hp and they arranged a few things in order to make the driving pleasant and not very nervous despite the many hp.
If you have any reliable source who can deny what I have written, then please do not criticize what I report as a courtesy. Instead of thanking me, do you criticize me? Mah!! 🙄
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If a new model GTS is €500 more than the outgoing model then Vespa in the uk will struggle. There is currently €850 discount on new 300GTS's to move stock. A list of £7000 uk would put the " new" GTS in the field of lots of 450/600 cc bikes. Tough competition. Scooter wise it would be up against the £7200 Suzuki Burgmann with it improved weather protection higher performance and pillion comfort.

But then again …………………..its not a Vespa is it?
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If a new model GTS is €500 more than the outgoing model then Vespa in the uk will struggle. There is currently €850 discount on new 300GTS's to move stock. A list of £7000 uk would put the " new" GTS in the field of lots of 450/600 cc bikes. Tough competition. Scooter wise it would be up against the £7200 Suzuki Burgmann with it improved weather protection higher performance and pillion comfort.

But then again …………………..its not a Vespa is it?
Well, with a new engine able to deliver 10 hp more than the current model, I think that 4-500 euros of the increase there are all!! 😉
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Well, with a new engine able to deliver 10 hp more than the current model, I think that 4-500 euros of the increase there are all!! 😉
Indeed, If those numbers all stack up then it would be a bargain and it will sell like hot cakes in the UK especially to us Rally going and touring Scooterists.
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was just musing over morning coffee and wondered if 34hp would be legal for a learners permit here in Victoria, AUS. Short answer no, not quite. It has to be less than 150kw per 1000kg so assuming 160kg weight then 24kw/32hp is the max.
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was just musing over morning coffee and wondered if 34hp would be legal for a learners permit here in Victoria, AUS.
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