Modern Vespa

You won't!

damn, it seems they lied to you. god know what robot will call it

HPE 3.10

Which would beg the question: which scoot had the 3.0?

Maybe i should refer to mine as an HPE 2.78 🤔

Ok, in that case mine is referred to as "gulps oil and dodgy fuel pump edition"


Not sure it's a winning title for Piaggio sales types though?

After the Piaggio MP3 310 was published in the last few days (New MP3 310 MY2025!) and pictures of the Vespa GTS 125 MY2025 were published (https://www.fulland-vespa-store.de/motorroller/vespa-gts-supersport-125 / First Pictures: GTS 125 SuperSport MY2025), the first photo of a GTS 310 MY2025 appeared today:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/LM6UaLp18q1kpnnn/

Which range will have the different shape headlight I wonder? Probably the Super Sport to align with the Vespa Sprint maybe?

I have linked pictures of the GTS 125 SuperSport MY2025 (and have already seen it live, as well as the Classic and Super), the 310cc will be visually identical. Only the SuperTech nobody has seen yet...

Where does it say anything about a modified headlight?

People who wait a year.

It seems to me that when Piaggio first started making 4 stroke scooters, they would introduce new engines into the Piaggio lineup first, and then into the Vespa models. The X9 Evolution, which is when Piaggio switched from the Honda 250 engine to their own, came out in 2003, before the GTS, the 180-200 leader in other Piaggio models, etc. I think the 3V LEM was in the Fly before they put it in the LX and S, but might be wrong there, because we didn't get the LX or S with the 3V engine. It seems like the HPE was the first time they put a new(ish) engine into a Vespa model at the same time as they put it into the Piaggio models. And it was not without it's "surprises."

Piaggio put a stroker crank in the HPE, and offset the wristpin. Same valvetrain as before. No VVT.

From Motorcycle Powersports News

The Piaggio 310 HPE Engine – All the Benefits of Downspeeding
The new Piaggio 310 is ... an all-new, liquid-cooled, four-stroke, four-valve, single-cylinder engine with electronic injection. The 310 High Performance Engine (HPE) engine – the most recent Piaggio HPE – is designed to enable significant improvements in the riding experience across the board: superior ride comfort, improved drivability, less noise and even lower fuel consumption. All this is accompanied by a tangible improvement in performance.

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que comments about oil consumption (possibly in early hpe .. no need for owners of new hpe to chime in)

I don't see anything about the 310 in the photos that I can say looks like "improved aerodynamics" over the current 300 HPE.

What did I miss?

The above stuff is talking abut the mp3 not the gts. we don't have that level of info (eg power figures) for the gts. same hardware but probably different map in the ecu (the mp3 300 hpe vs gts 300 hpe did have different maps and different power)

Well, on a related note (not really), you can imagine my disappointment in Triumph with their 'new and improved' 2025 Rocket 3R 'upgrade', bumping it's hp from the 165 of my '22 to a lousy 180, and almost no increase in torque numbers.

If the bastards want my money and the sacrifice of my current wimpy 3R, they can just get their ass busy and find at least 200 hp in that engine, along with a healthy boost in torque from the current model.

Oh, and DON'T finish the GD thing in all flat black!...whoopsy, too late, f#ckerZ!


Now back to my GTS300...I'm keeping it.

If only there was some way to define earlier, latter, and future HPEs.

I trust in Robot to invent one which of course will again ignore that the GTS comes in a 125/150 flavour

His don't.

True true. America is not known for it's love of small engines

It doesn't, I followed your facebook link and in my alcoholic confusion assumed
the new Vespas were all GTS models. A closer look shows the one's in the background to be the smallframe models.

Has anyone else replied this: "But not in the US"

Hi "vespa's friends"
On 7th November I will go to EICMA in Milan and I will publish the photos of the new Vespa😉

These are the data for the new MP3 310. The new Vespa GTS 310 will have 25 hp and 28.9 nm of torque. At low and medium speeds it will be much more performing than the current GTS 300 hpe which has 23.8 hp and 26 nm of torque. The largest increase will be in torque and at low and medium speeds the most count the 2.9 nm of torque.

So basically I can eat a few more burgers to compensate for the extra torque, or eat less and get the same with the soon to be cheaper 300, winter 300 sales should be good, so my cash will be on a new 300 if it drops 1000 euros.

Happy you!!! 🤷

Pondering ...

I'm going to guess it's exactly the same CVT parts but with a change to the final drive gears to reach the same top speed at lower RPM.

Thoughts?

I have no reason to disbelieve you but wouldn't it be cheaper and easier for Piaggio to use the same engine with the same power and torque settings for both the GTS and MP3?

? They would just be waiting a year to buy last years unsold Scooters.

With the 300 the used the same hardware but with a different mapping.

GTS and MP3 have different air-filter and exhaust.

Yup. Which begs the question: why?

It's much simpler than that. The US generally doesn't have engine size restrictions on motorcycle (or passenger car) licenses. You're either licensed or you're not. Thus, there isn't any point in putting a ridiculously undersized and underpowered engine in a GTS frame.

The only reason the GTS 125/150 exists internationally is to satisfy licensing or taxation tiers. I very much doubt there would be much of a market for such a bike otherwise, and certainly not enough for Piaggio to bother building it.

Sure, we get that. Also i had older cars in mind when I wrote that not motorcycles, locally we called them 'yank tanks' when i was growing up (hopefully not offensive).

But nether the less they do exist. (Not that i see a great need for them in the market).

Absolutely not. For the simple reason that these are completely different means and used for different purposes. The engine is obviously the same, but the various calibrations of the control unit change. For example, take the Beverly 300 and the Vespa 300 he, they disassemble themselves but the data of the CV and the torque are different. 😉

All I know is I want the new GTS310 Supertech I hope it comes in some new cool colors.

Not only will it have new colors but, most importantly, it will have a new digital TFT display complete with everything!!

That ignores the fact that the GTS and MP3 have, in the past, used exactly the same engine. The only differences were a few bolt-on brackets and (possibly) the ECU mapping.

I have personally swapped a GTS 250 engine into an MP3 250 body. They were identical.

This idea that they are for "different means and used for different purposes" is suspect at best and poppycock at worst.

When the " learner" 125 cc law was brought in the Uk ( 1983) the price of 250cc bikes plummeted. I recently had a nice 1977 Kawasaki 250 cc triple that a previous owner had refreshed in the late 80's. He bought a nos tank for £80, nos rims for £15 , nos side panels pair £25.

It's £400 to get a tank resprayed today!


Again back in pre 1971 a sixteen yr old could learn on a 250cc bike. Then the sixteener law came in , limiting a 16 year old to 50cc, then at 17 we were back to 250cc on L plates.

Within a few years the manufacturers managed to get 50cc peds upto 60 mph, so the govt introduced more legislation………….happy days.

With us in Italy she has already arrived at some dealerships and they already have the data sheet and, as I already told you, there is a difference in CV and torque.

Well many likes the bigger GTS frame, but as driving in the city, it just the same with 125. IF the price is well under, the 125 does the job. Here they have not imported 125 on many years, and yes: we have diffrent licenses to under 125 class. Makes bit wonder there was not enough lower price, and that I know, teenagers with 120 license are the bunch wantin sporty yelling sh...stuff.