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I find the indicators on my 530 a real pain, they don't self cancel and they don't make any noise when activated.
Has anyone achieved a solution to either make a noise or self cancel?
If so what parts did you use and where did you mount things?
Thanks in advance
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AFAIK MP3s never had self canceling indicators or audible signal indicators.
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I know, that is why I am asking if anyone has done a solution for this
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The only thing that might be of help is the optional Piaggio PMP accessory.

In conjunction with your smartphone (required), the Piaggio app flashes the screen when the blinkers are active
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Thanks but not really what I am looking for. On complicated junctions having to look to see if the indicators are on is not ideal, self cancelling indicators are the norm on most bikes now but not on Piaggio for some reason. So as an alternative I was hoping for something a bit more prominent to tell me they are on, such as a sound
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Self canceling indicators is the stuff of premium bikes, such as BMW RT/GS, Honda Africa Twin and the like

Piaggio is much more downmarket despite them charging upmarket prices hence the trivial sales numbers
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Use two diodes and a 12V piezo sounder. Feed each turn signal feed through a diode, join the cathodes of the diodes at the +ve end of the sounder, wire the -Ve end of the sounder to the feed from the brake light switches to the brake light.

This way you'll always be reminded when a turn signal is activated, but it'll go silent when the brakes are on, so you don't go quickly insane at traffic lights.

This assumes you have incandescent brake lights - if they're LEDs you just might have to add a load resistor across them - 1k 1/4W should suffice.

I've been doing this to all my bikes for the last thirty years or so.

Back in the day, X9s had self-cancelling turn signals - they went off after travelling ~500m (~1640ft). This was actually a PITA at times. I'm glad they stopped adding that 'feature'. An alert rider should always be aware when they have turn signals on...
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Look on Amazon for a 12v turn signal beeper.

It connects to the circuit that feeds the headset's turn signal indicator light so it'll beep when either side is on.

My experience is they're not very loud. Also, your bike is a lot more modern than mine have been, so an analog 12v beeper might not work.

Good luck.
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25BIKEZ wrote:
Look on Amazon for a 12v turn signal beeper.

It connects to the circuit that feeds the headset's turn signal indicator light so it'll beep when either side is on.

My experience is they're not very loud. Also, your bike is a lot more modern than mine have been, so an analog 12v beeper might not work.

Good luck.
Some Piaggio bikes have the turn signal indicator fed from both turn signals, one each leg. i.e. across both of them. So there's no + or -, it depends. Those bleepers are polarity sensitive. That's why it's best just to wire a couple of diodes in there.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Engine rebuilds etc I can do, old fashioned electrics I can do, modern electronics are a foreign language to me ( I am 80 yrs old)
I believe the 530HPE is all leds and runs on something called a 'canbus' - whatever that is. So if you could give me an idiots guide, including component values etc I would be extremely grateful.
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Canbus is nothing new having been around for over 30 years in the automotive world and even longer in the aviation world.

In a nutshell, canbus is a way to reduce and simplify wiring while allowing the vehicle's subsystems to talk to each other. It is generally a very dependable system as long as certain rules are followed. Example: cutting and splicing wires are a no no.

Just make sure the headstock bearings, the Achilles heel of every MP3 ever made, get retorqued and lubed before the bike hits the 600mi/1K mark.

Relube every 6K mi/10K km at a minimum afterwards. Better yet to do it every 3K mi/5K km along with a engine oil +filter service.

Your engine and wallet will thank you
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Widge wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions. Engine rebuilds etc I can do, old fashioned electrics I can do, modern electronics are a foreign language to me ( I am 80 yrs old)
I believe the 530HPE is all leds and runs on something called a 'canbus' - whatever that is. So if you could give me an idiots guide, including component values etc I would be extremely grateful.
Your simplest solution might then be to purchase an Audicator: https://www.audicator.com/
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JIMC - Thanks, that might be just what I need, I have a couple of queries round leds and the canbus, but as the company is only about 20 miles from me i will go and talk to them.
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JIMC - I have been in contact with the guy who manufactures these units and unfortunately they dont work with CANbus systems or with LEDs, so it is back to square one
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I added big ol corncob led turnsignal bulbs which cause me to leave off the covers. The bulbs stick out far enough I can see when they are flashing
I don't ride in the rain, I suppose I could silicone around the base. I seen trailer lights full of water that still flashed...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082YW963W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Cant do that on a 530 as the indicators are flush with the fairing
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Since you've got a 530, doesn't that LCD show anything (such as green arrows) when you've got the blinkers on???
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Yes, but on busy roads and junctions my eyes are busy looking at the road and traffic
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Maybe this will fit your needs, and was just recently tested and installed by a Vespa owner??? (see review in the link

https://www.wunderlichamerica.com/Motorcycle_Turn_Signal_Reminder
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That looks promising, although they are out of stock at the moment. I have messaged them to see if it works on a bike with a CANbus wiring system and LED lights
Thanks for the link
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Wunderlich tailors pretty much to the BMW community and particularly the GS, a bike which uses both canbus and LED blinkers
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Try the diodes connected directly to the turn signal LEDs. Also try doing the brake light connection rather than going directly to ground for the buzzer - if that triggers the brake lights then add a 100 ohm 1/4W resistor down to ground across the brake lights.
Parts:
2 off 1N4001 diodes, https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/onsemi/1N4001G/1485468
1 off 12V piezo buzzer https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cui-devices/CEP-2260A/412379
some wire
possibly a resistor https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/te-connectivity-passive-product/ROX2SJ100R/2390363

If it upsets the CANBUS (which I doubt, BICBW) at least it won't do any harm, and will cost less than $4.
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Jimc - That certainly looks to be a cheap and simple solution. What is the reason for connecting to the brake lighs rather than directly to ground? I was hoping to keep everything within the handlebar housing and connecting to the brake light means running quite a long extra wire.
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As above - to stop the buzzer from sounding while you have the brake lights on. It can get very infuriating at long stop lights.

The bonus is that (on older bikes) it's also a tell-tale that your brake light bulbs have blown, as it won't sound at all (this won't apply with a load resistor added)! Plus if it sounds all the time regardless of brake levers being pulled, it tells you your brake light switches have failed (a much more common scenario).

I've edited the resistor URL to point to a 100R 2W resistor - but try without first!
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Sorry for being stupid, if the 12v is picked up from the indicator LEDs which are only live when the indicator switch is active, why will this cause the buzzer to sound when the brakes are applied? Surely the brake light and indicators are on separate feeds?
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If the buzzer gets 12V applied to both ends, it has 0V across it, and won't sound.

The diodes stop the turn signals interfering with each other AND prevent reverse polarity on the buzzer - if a simple buzzer was used it would work quite happily connected backwards.
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Sorry I still don't understand. The buzzer would get 12v from one of the indicator feeds when it is activated and the other end of the buzzer would go to ground. What am I missing?
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Widge wrote:
Sorry I still don't understand. The buzzer would get 12v from one of the indicator feeds when it is activated and the other end of the buzzer would go to ground.
Then it would buzz all the time the turn signal was activated.
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What am I missing?
The fact that that can get VERY annoying! Plus you'd be missing the brake switch/light diagnostics that come for free with this mod. But that's the very simplest solution - perhaps a good place to start...
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Thanks, now I get it. Old age slows down the brain processing 😵‍💫
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what about instead of a audio reminder attaching a vibrating motor to the handlebars under the all that plastic and just feel it in the hands.
https://www.harfington.com/products/p-1131784
Could be wire the same as the audio alarm and no annoying beep beep
OK now for the requisite colorful comments
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