Modern Vespa

I got a vespa a few weeks ago and im going to restore it, its pretty rough, any tips on how to get started, how to pull the engine out of it or where to buy parts , also can anyone tell what component is missing from the compartment,

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ok just figured how to post multiple pictures at a time

oh wow. ambitious project.

looks like the motor and T5 specific stuff is all there, so that's a good start.

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Uhhh yeah theres a shock absorber and bolts missing, my dad abandoned it in a shop for 10 years and the mechanic stole parts and left it outside in the middle of the dirt

Jesus. That's gonna need a lot of metal work. The rot in the tunnel looks like it could be structurally compromised. Cutdown maybe?

Sad to see this. Lots of missing metal, and while you can replace floorboards, legshields, and the tail, the central tunnel is not going to be able to get fixed with a simple patch, and welding onto the thick metal there is also liable to create a bend. In any case, any repairs would require healthy steel, meaning you'll have to grind down to bare metal to see what you have left to work with.

Hi,

Seems like you got yourself a money-pit of dimensions....

That said, unless you can do all welding (alot) and painting yourself, it is going to be costly.

But you have the main thing, and that's the T5 engine. -which hopefully is not rusted to pieces...

Anyhow, I would strongly recomend buying this instead of mending the frame;

https://www.scooter-center.com/en/frame-lml-select/t5-motovespa-t5-sport-tx200-including-mudguard-side-panels-tool-box-handlebar-horn-cover-red-767frt5rd?number=767FRT5RD

Good luck!

WHAAAAAAAT?!

That is SO sick!!!

Yeah, OP, that'd be the way to go!

Hmmm… wonder how much it'd cost to ship one o' them stateside?

Hi, thanks for that link i had been trying to find a replacement chassis and couldn't find one, my friend's dad restores vespas, and he said that he could fix the chassis, were going to ask for a budget and compare everything, if I opt for fixing the chassis would I still need to re-do eletrics, how hard is it to do eletrics on a vespa? Im working from my apartements garage spot im going to set up a table to work and im going to find a way to take the vespa out of the wall for more accesebility , anyone know where i could buy supports?

wdym, like strip the paint?

Are you sure this is the right project for you at this time. As others have said, there is a lot of work needed. You might be better off selling this on and using the money to buy a working scooter.

I have no other options either i walk or i fix this scooter its the deal i got with my dad, money isn't an object here

Good tomasvfs,

In Spain you will surely find a T5 (or TX200) chassis in good condition to carry out your repair, I think it will be worth it. Unfortunately we are losing many T5s from Spain and even more engines that leave some chassis in good condition orphaned.

You can watch in the Wallapop application.

You will end up making a lot of sheet metal parts for that bike by hand. It's entirely possible for someone with that skill set.

yeah i saw i know of a few around here, thanks for the app tho ill look in there

I need to compare prices, i can do a VIN swap on the replacement chassis, any idea what's missing in the compartment, the loose wires?

I would pull the engine, so you can take it inside and do a tear down and see what you have to work with. If the engine is just as bad as the frame, it may not be worth moving forward on the frame. If the engine is entirely rebuildable, I would concentrate on that and look for a used frame as leosanchez88 mentioned. Even if money is not a object here. you would be way ahead not trying to fix the very questionable frame.

Thank you, i think i know where to get a t5 frame if needed or i could do like Svint1 suggested, it will come down to cost of opportunity, from what i saw the frame died to protect the engine, everything is close to new, the spark plug looks new, the bike has 10k kilometres only, original mileage only things that aren't in good shape in the engine are the air filtre, the tubes and the exhaust which is rusted

Ok, so the situation is much clearer now. I assumed you wanted to get the scooter on the road on the very cheap. I refrained from mentioning the sck option because I didn't think it could be an option.

Be aware that there will likely be some minor modifications to make, as these aren't technically T5 frames, but LML's take on them.

As mentioned by others, you can likely find a good frame or parts bike on milanuncios or similar local websites for less.

If the goal is to keep as much of Pop's scooter as possible for sentimental reaaons, then anything is possible with a good welder and scrap metal, but that'll be much more time-consuming and expensive.

What's the SCK option, i know off a t5 chassis my friend's dad has i can try buy it off him today, but i don't think my dad cares about the bike he ignored it for the past 17 years, he just wants to test my competence

All these things are good to know, but if that engine has been sitting for ten years it is going to need some work - either now or later. Seals dry out, gaskets crumble, and weather that gets in can play hell with the bearings, etc... Just saying....

Any advice on what i should do on the engine

If I were you I would dismantle the scooter and save what you can. I don't think it is worth repairing that chase/body specially with the strict inspections that they have in Europe regarding every aspect of the scooter(lights, brakes, tires, suspesnion, VIN, steering) and everything and anything that they check to make it road worthy.

From looking at the pictures it seems like it has extensive damage. You haven't even opened that engine, imagine how much you would have to spend to get that engine in tip-top condition with gaskets, seals, rubber etc.

I hate to say but a vehicle can't be abandoned for so long of they suffer detrimental damage at all levels and that applies to not just scooters but cars too. Good luck with your project, if you decide to get it road worthy it will be worth at least learning on how to open up the engine, fixing it.

How would i open the engine? I didn't find it on the owner's manual

can you get hold of a workshop manual. Haynes do one in the UK but i dont now if there is the portuguese equivalent.

Take it apart, post a lot of pics. I admit I have never worked on a T5 engine but many on here have and could help you as you go.

ill find one, thanks

ill do it thanks! Ill post more pics here the more i progress

The sck option was the link others have posted. Sck is the acronym for scooter center koln.

Do get the Haynes manual; you're fluent enough in English not to need a Portuguese version I'm not sure exists, and it provides step-by-step instructions to guide you through a teardown/rebuild, with all the relevant tolerances. You can also check out tutorial videos on YT.

The T5 engine is structurally similar to the PX; specific parts are different (clutch, crank, top end, exhaust, rotor, stator, brake system), but they come off the same way.

Wow that T5 has seen better days. If you could get the frame posted from SCK could be like new once again. That seems so much better than sourcing used body parts that most likely need refinishing. I would think the SCK frame is going to run 1/2 of the overall expense the other 1/2 will be engine rebuild and internals. Still worth saving in my mind if you can be patient to see to the end of the project.

WOW!! That's too far gone and will need too much work. I'd go the SCK way as suggested. You'll get a complete LML T5ish painted frame in pretty much very good quality...

They have them in red and black...

https://www.scooter-center.com/en/frame-lml-select/t5-motovespa-t5-sport-tx200-including-mudguard-side-panels-tool-box-handlebar-horn-cover-red-767frt5rd

https://www.scooter-center.com/en/frame-lml-select/t5-motovespa-t5-sport-tx200-including-mudguard-side-panels-tool-box-handlebar-horn-cover-black-767frt5bl

Looking at the pictures again - What is actually salvagable from this. possibly the engine but what about things like seat and forks etc. Is it going to end up being an assembly job of mainly new bits and re-using the original identity and engine.

^ this
A new frame is the right decision.

I can only assume that the cost of shipping would close to the same price as the frame costs? But if the same kit was available locally stateside (where i didn't have to pay for shipping), i would probably snatch up as least two frames. Then build a couple TX/GS 200 clones out of them.

You know...

Ill find that manual, thank you I think sck option is the best as well unless i find a good chassis with eletrics done to save time. Suspension is cooked, it was a scooter shop for 10 years, the owner stole parts, some bolts are also stolen, most plastics are good, steering has a leak i havent checked it yet, there's something missing from the compartment under the steering, i don't know what it is (I posted a pic in this thread), seat got stolen and replaced with a seat that's gone, exhaust is gone, i broke a floormat yesterday by accident trying to remove it but other than that the rest of the plastics seem new, spark plug seems new, bat leaks, wheels are good.

Im having a bit of a problem with rusted out bolts, any tips?

Does the vespa T5 share suspension bits with the PX?