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gogogordy Veni, Vidi, Posti Reprehensible Misinformant Joined: UTC Posts: 7576 Location: Winchester, California	UTC quote I'm thinking buyer's remorse happens within just days of acquisition. (Fugly-to the "N"th power)

seamus26 UTC details Ossessionato 1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T / Aprilia Sportcity One 50 / 2016 Vespa Sprint 50 Joined: UTC Posts: 3044 Location: Grand Rapids, MI
seamus26 Ossessionato 1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 (sold) / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T / Aprilia Sportcity One 50 / 2016 Vespa Sprint 50 Joined: UTC Posts: 3044 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	UTC quote We have a Tesla dealer just down the street and there were a couple on the lot the other day. I'm starting to see them out in the wild.

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Bill Dog eeeee bip BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber BMW R1200 RT Big Red Joined: UTC Posts: 21591 Location: South East Great England of Britishland	UTC quote I'm trying to understand why you'd actually want to own one. Well, apart from the chronic attention seeking of course. After that I think that we're home free.

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Bill Dog wrote:

I'm trying to understand why you'd actually want to own one.

Well, apart from the chronic attention seeking of course.

After that I think that we're home free.

Years ago I was at lunch with a friend and as we walked out of the store we passed by a group of skateboarders. You know the type ... piercings, tattoos, colored Mohawks. And they'd be the first to shout, "What are YOU looking at?" if you glanced at them too long.

Randy was in his early 30s by this time. He looked at me and said, "You know, the whole time I was doing all that stuff, the only person I was impressing was myself."

I said, "Randy, I think you just grew up a little today."

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vintage red matthew MV Santa GTS250, 1975 VBC, 1980 P200E cutdown, GT200L Joined: UTC Posts: 4943 Location: Sedgwick, Kansas	UTC quote I saw one yesterday and I live in the heart of flyover country. 400 miles from the nearest Tesla dealership. The new champion what I consider to be the ugliest vehicle I have ever seen. By a wide margin. Positive

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jess Petty Tyrant 0:7 and counting Joined: UTC Posts: 39192 Location: Bay Area, California	UTC quote vintage red matthew wrote: The new champion what I consider to be the ugliest vehicle I have ever seen. I think this statement does a disservice to ugly vehicles. I've owned a few ugly things in my time -- the most notable of which was this 1969 Nissan Patrol (see below). I think the Cybertruck isn't ugly as much as it is just completely devoid of taste. Positive

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Bob Copeland Ossessionato 2013 Vespa 300 Super, 2022 Kymco AK 550 Joined: UTC Posts: 3807 Location: Minneapolis USA	UTC quote Actually, most Teslas are great looking. It is hard to believe they popped out this hideous truck. I am the opposite of a big fan of electric vehicles. At the volume they are stacking up unsold at dealerships, it appears the general public shares my opinion. Bob Copeland

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SaFiS Ossessionato 1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1987 PK125XL Elestart, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2 Joined: UTC Posts: 4790 Location: Veria, Greece	UTC quote Quality https://youtu.be/bTTMVIhMkkM

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Olde Rider Addicted Primavera 150S Joined: UTC Posts: 645 Location: North Central Connecticut	UTC quote The Patrol may not be beautiful, but the design is quite functional, which is a beauty in itself. I happen to like boxy designs, as they are usually quite practical. The Cybertruck has none of this, IMO.

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gogogordy Veni, Vidi, Posti Reprehensible Misinformant Joined: UTC Posts: 7576 Location: Winchester, California	UTC quote Fixed that: It is hard to believe they pooped out this hideous truck. Positive

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jess wrote:

I think this statement does a disservice to ugly vehicles. I've owned a few ugly things in my time -- the most notable of which was this 1969 Nissan Patrol (see below).

I think the Cybertruck isn't ugly as much as it is just completely devoid of taste.

People would be tripping over each other to get in line and offer you money for that Patrol today. At some point that vehicle will be in vogue and people will be paying $$$ at auctions for one.

What was the badge on the door? Park ranger?

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jess Petty Tyrant 0:7 and counting Joined: UTC Posts: 39192 Location: Bay Area, California	UTC quote Shebalba wrote: What was the badge on the door? Park ranger? Yeah, judging by the shape of it, it was some kind of ranger vehicle in a previous life.

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GBaby Molto Verboso Modern Primavera (not pictured); Moto Guzzi V-85 TT Joined: UTC Posts: 1801 Location: Los Angeles, CA	UTC quote It's not that it's ugly, which it is, it's that it's ugly and it thinks it's hot. Highly Rated

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jess wrote:

I think this statement does a disservice to ugly vehicles. I've owned a few ugly things in my time -- the most notable of which was this 1969 Nissan Patrol (see below).

Timeless Wisdom: Classical vs. Romantic Understanding

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"Although surface ugliness is often found in the classic mode of understanding, it is not inherent in it. There is a classic aesthetic which romantics often miss because of its subtlety. The classic style is straightforward, unadorned, unemotional, economical, and carefully proportioned. Its purpose is not to inspire emotionally, but to bring order out of chaos and make the unknown known. It is not an aesthetically free and natural style. It is aesthetically restrained. Everything is under control. Its value is measured in terms of the skill with which this control is maintained.

"To a romantic this classic mode often appears dull, awkward, and ugly, like mechanical maintenance itself. Everything is in terms of pieces and parts and components and relationships. Nothing is figured out until it's run through the computer a dozen times. Everything's got to be measured and proved. Oppressive. Heavy. Endlessly grey. The death force.

"Within the classic mode, however, the romantic has some appearances of his own. Frivolous, irrational, erratic, untrustworthy, interested primarily in pleasure-seeking. Shallow. Of no substance. Often a parasite who cannot or will not carry his own weight. A real drag on society. By now these battle lines should sound a little familiar."

- Pirsig

The Cyber-Truck apparently missed both marks.

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Bill Dog eeeee bip BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber BMW R1200 RT Big Red Joined: UTC Posts: 21591 Location: South East Great England of Britishland	UTC quote It reminds me of the people who bought the Hummers 1st time around.

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Birdsnest Not So Moderator VNB VSC VMA VSX - o9c vmb vse Joined: UTC Posts: 9500 Location: Hustletown, TX	UTC quote Bill Dog wrote: It reminds me of the people who bought the Hummers 1st time around. ^ Not wrong there. The Tesla designers must have watched a loop of Back to the Future and Logan's Run on acid when they drew up that abomination. Just Hideous. Positive

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fleece Ossessionato 1991 Vespa T5 Pole Position, 2008 Vespa S 125, 2023 Piaggio MP3 300HPE Sport Joined: UTC Posts: 4502 Location: Staffordshire England	UTC quote 0 to 60 in 2.6 seconds appeals

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I'll have a bet with all of you about how the concept of that paperweight came up.

Someone said " You'll never make that " and Elon said " Hold my beer".

I'm with you on the Sci - Fi references but I would throw in Damnation Alley for good measure.

The 0 - 60 is just bollocks as no one actually uses it in the real world.

It's a One Trick Pony blended with a Vanity Project.

Just awful.

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fleece Ossessionato 1991 Vespa T5 Pole Position, 2008 Vespa S 125, 2023 Piaggio MP3 300HPE Sport Joined: UTC Posts: 4502 Location: Staffordshire England	UTC quote 0 to 60 in 2.6 seconds could win you Monaco.. whilst carrying your plumbing tools

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redstella Hooked Stella Joined: UTC Posts: 122 Location: USA	UTC quote I didn't like the styling of the Cybertruck until I realized why it looks that way. My wife saw it and ordered it. It will work great for us. When I bought my Tesla I realized the era of piston engines was drawing to a close. I don't care about the "climate crisis" scam, EVs are objectively better for the job.

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GBaby Molto Verboso Modern Primavera (not pictured); Moto Guzzi V-85 TT Joined: UTC Posts: 1801 Location: Los Angeles, CA	UTC quote redstella wrote: I didn't like the styling of the Cybertruck until I realized why it looks that way. Good for you for getting something you like. But why does it look that way?

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bluside Addicted 2020 GTS 300, 2011 LX150ie Joined: UTC Posts: 857 Location: Jupiter, Florida	UTC quote redstella wrote: I didn't like the styling of the Cybertruck until I realized why it looks that way. Care to explain?

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It looks that way because the body panels are 1) a large part of the structural integrity and (related..) 2) an exceptionally hard stainless steel, exclusive to them that requires certain methods to fabricate , as well as 3) needing to be aerodynamic and 4) designed to be built in large numbers.

Lots of stuff out there to see about it. I won't bother you with it but regardless of the looks, it's a remarkable piece of engineering.

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jays0n Enthusiast 2024 GTS 300 Super, 2017 GTV 300 Joined: UTC Posts: 71 Location: Issaquah, WA	UTC quote They look the same to me, can't unsee it. Highly Rated

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Bill Dog eeeee bip BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber BMW R1200 RT Big Red Joined: UTC Posts: 21591 Location: South East Great England of Britishland	UTC quote And DeLorean did it already in 1981 so it's not that remarkable. Funny how they didn't rust.

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SteelBytes Veni, Vidi, Posti 2019 GTS 300 HPE SuperTech 73,000km Joined: UTC Posts: 7516 Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Aus	UTC quote znomit wrote: ITS PATTINA, you philistine. And you don't have to pay extra for it Positive

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jess Petty Tyrant 0:7 and counting Joined: UTC Posts: 39192 Location: Bay Area, California	UTC quote seamus26 wrote: Explanatory text. Shatner is amazing for many reasons. Positive

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Bill Dog wrote:

And DeLorean did it already in 1981 so it's not that remarkable.

Funny how they didn't rust.

It's tiresome to repeat, but DeLorean didn't "do it", full stop.

Excellent detail on how it all works is readily available to anyone who actually care.

And no they aren't rusting. I'm not here to tell anyone these are attractive but my God, the motoring press has been shocking on this topic.

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Bill Dog eeeee bip BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber BMW R1200 RT Big Red Joined: UTC Posts: 21591 Location: South East Great England of Britishland	UTC quote Well they did. They built a car with a Stainless Steel body. First. 1981 - 1983. Lotus Esprit Chassis. Renault V6 Engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMC_DeLorean

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redstella Hooked Stella Joined: UTC Posts: 122 Location: USA	UTC quote Bill Dog wrote: Well they did. They built a car with a Stainless Steel body. First. 1981 - 1983. Lotus Esprit Chassis. Renault V6 Engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMC_DeLorean If the outside of the car is what you're thinking about, Ford did it in the '30s. I'm not going into the engineering principles nor differences between plastic bonded to steel and structural integrity.

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Bill Dog eeeee bip BMW R1100RT The Problem Child Kymco Downtown 300 - I'm not the Uber BMW R1200 RT Big Red Joined: UTC Posts: 21591 Location: South East Great England of Britishland	UTC quote Yup, Ford made a grand total of 6 Protoypes which puts the 8500 to 9500 actual production cars that DeLorean's made in context I guess. ⚠️ Last edited by Bill Dog on UTC; edited 1 time

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marret Hooked 2016 GTS300 ABS Joined: UTC Posts: 352 Location: FL and VA	UTC quote Saw a flat black one yesterday on I-64 west of Williamsburg VA. Maybe they were worried about stainless steel rusting. It didn't help the looks either.

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