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I need to replace my selector box -kitted p200.
There's a bit of confusion about the 2 different versions. I have the measurements for the 2 types, I'm just confused about where to measure from:

Batwing in 3rd...
do I measure from the gasket face to the arm itself...
or the gasket face to the spinning bit that slots into the selector rod?

I am getting measurements +1.5mm gasket face to arm and 0.0mm (maybe a tad less) from gasket face to spinning thingy- which is exactly the difference between the 2 different boxes.

My current selector box has the hole for the neutral switch which has been filled in if that helps.
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I need to replace my selector box -kitted p200.
There's a bit of confusion about the 2 different versions. I have the measurements for the 2 types, I'm just confused about where to measure from:

Batwing in 3rd...
do I measure from the gasket face to the arm itself...
or the gasket face to the spinning bit that slots into the selector rod?

I am getting measurements +1.5mm gasket face to arm and 0.0mm (maybe a tad less) from gasket face to spinning thingy- which is exactly the difference between the 2 different boxes.

My current selector box has the hole for the neutral switch which has been filled in if that helps.
What year is the motor?
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What year is the motor?
Unsure... it's a P fitted onto a 73 Sprint
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On the P series selector boxes the top of the spinning thing protrudes 1.5mm until the EFL bikes came out, around 1983.

Highly recommend this upgrade on a kitted bike, especially if you do a lot of shifting:

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/selector-box-kr-automation-cnc-verstarkt-px-old_87009200
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On the P series selector boxes the top of the spinning thing protrudes 1.5mm until the EFL bikes came out, around 1983.

Highly recommend this upgrade on a kitted bike, especially if you do a lot of shifting:

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/selector-box-kr-automation-cnc-verstarkt-px-old_87009200
Yeah I'd definitely like to get one of those -I just don't want to get it if it's "wrong".
It says it's for PX OLD. I'll try to see if there's a part number on the one I'm replacing.
There's always the chance that my old selector box was incorrect anyway… I did have to change the cross a few years ago. I haven't ridden it since so I have no idea if that did the trick (bike was jumping out of 4th).
I hate this 🙄😂
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I'd assume it's PX Old, unless Piaggio continued to ship P's to Canada(?) after bailing out of the USA market, or it has an EFL conversion in its history.

https://scooterhelp.com/serial/ves.motor.serial.numbers.html
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I'd assume it's PX Old, unless Piaggio continued to ship P's to Canada(?) after bailing out of the USA market, or it has an EFL conversion in its history.

https://scooterhelp.com/serial/ves.motor.serial.numbers.html
Nice one. I'll tip it sideways against a wall tomorrow and look for that serial number. Still confused to fuck but your help is most appreciated. Can't wait to ride this thing again after being off the road for 8 years.
Cheers.
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I think that since you have a P-series motor, in a non-P scoot; it could be early/late/or an early case with an EFL final drive swapped in.

Easy way to tell if it has an EFL drive shaft. If the hub securing nut is a 24mm nut + locking cage + cotter pin = EFL. 22mm castle nut + cotter pin = early P-series.

Also, EFL shaft uses 2 circlips+shims, on left and right side of the gears. Early P-series uses 1 circlip + shim on the outside (selector box side).

Early selector box pivot (swively thing) protrudes out past the gasket surface by 1.5mm, while in 3rd gear. On the EFL box, the pivot sits flush with gasket surface, while in 3rd gear.
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I think that since you have a P-series motor, in a non-P scoot; it could be early/late/or an early case with an EFL final drive swapped in.

Easy way to tell if it has an EFL drive shaft. If the hub securing nut is a 24mm nut + locking cage + cotter pin = EFL. 22mm castle nut + cotter pin = early P-series.

Also, EFL shaft uses 2 circlips+shims, on left and right side of the gears. Early P-series uses 1 circlip + shim on the outside (selector box side).

Early selector box pivot (swively thing) protrudes out past the gasket surface by 1.5mm, while in 3rd gear. On the EFL box, the pivot sits flush with gasket surface, while in 3rd gear.
Great info... thanks! Mine is flush so it's definitely an EFL box. I guess that's what I'm buying.
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There's always the chance that my old selector box was incorrect anyway…
^^
Not uncommon!
Do you remember what the drive shaft looked like when you changed the cruciform?
Do you remember which type of cruciform (they're different) you installed?
EFL
EFL
"PX Old"
"PX Old"
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Not uncommon!
Do you remember what the drive shaft looked like when you changed the cruciform?
Do you remember which type of cruciform (they're different) you installed?
Goddammit I want to say old type from that picture... but I really can't remember - it was 2016.

I'm positive though it was the "wavy" cross I used. Which is for PX OLD.

And the hub nut is castellated.

I think this thing had the wrong selector box installed at some point.

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Goddammit I want to say old type from that picture... but I really can't remember - it was 2016.

I'm positive though it was the "wavy" cross I used. Which is for PX OLD.

And the hub nut is castellated.

I think this thing had the wrong selector box installed at some point.

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Seems like You got the right idea now. You want to match your new selector box to your driveshaft, not the old box; regardless if what was on there.

Looks like your old box was an EFL/Lusso one, but You have an early P driveshaft, with wavy cross/castle nut. So you actually need an early P (px old) selector box.
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Seems like You got the right idea now. You want to match your new selector box to your driveshaft, not the old box; regardless if what was on there.

Looks like your old box was an EFL/Lusso one, but You have an early P driveshaft, with wavy cross/castle nut. So you actually need an early P (px old) selector box.
Thanks so much for the help to you and Ray8.
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Wow, great info guys!

This info would be great for the NSM wiki!

EFL - how to to identify
How to differentiate between old and EFL.
Differences between actual gears, shaft, and selector boxes

Patrick?
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Wow, great info guys!

This info would be great for the NSM wiki!

EFL - how to to identify
How to differentiate between old and EFL.
Differences between actual gears, shaft, and selector boxes

Patrick?
It's definitely a confusing situation. The info cleared everything up for me. You've got my vote
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