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Whats yours guys go to set ups for extra fuel?

eyeing this front rack with integrated can mount AND includes bonus 5Lcan
Don't really like yee Olde rachet strapping cans method.

I guess my question is Really this.. Front rack guys, does the extra weight of cargo affect stability enough to be annoying?
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For starters, that looks really cool. I think there are actually benefits from having more weight on the front of the bike.
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For starters, that looks really cool. I think there are actually benefits from having more weight on the front of the bike.
I thought it was pretty neat but have never seen one around, not a fan of racks really and would probably never use the cargo function, but the metal gas can would be nice for long trips and also looks nice and proper instead of an old red can bungee corded to the floor lol.
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Front rack kills top speed and fuel economy on long trips.

I replace two of the center stand bolts with eyelets and strap a gas can to the center tunnel. Rear rack would be my second choice.
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Front rack kills top speed and fuel economy on long trips.
An ironic side effect I hadn't considered..
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Front rack kills top speed and fuel economy on long trips.

I replace two of the center stand bolts with eyelets and strap a gas can to the center tunnel. Rear rack would be my second choice.
Just noticed your rear rack. Did you fab that yourself? I'm digging it.

I'm all for the gas can on the floorboard. No front rack for me. It screws up the paint job too.
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I like my front rack for around town but only use it when I know I'm hauling something. I usually don't ride with it on.

It takes 30 seconds to install, and I can put it on whatever scooter in the garage ..
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I like my front rack for around town but only use it when I know I'm hauling something. I usually don't ride with it on.

It takes 30 seconds to install, and I can put it on whatever scooter in the garage ..
So far you've got the award for biggest loads on a scoot that i've seen!
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Just noticed your rear rack. Did you fab that yourself? I'm digging it.

I'm all for the gas can on the floorboard. No front rack for me. It screws up the paint job too.
The rear rack was made by CSA (California Scooter Accessories). They were a common alternative to the bbq rack in the early 80s. They also made a cage that would go over the oil sight glass to keep it from jetting kicked and broken. I had one at some point but have been unable to find it.
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I like my front rack for around town but only use it when I know I'm hauling something. I usually don't ride with it on.

It takes 30 seconds to install, and I can put it on whatever scooter in the garage ..
This was the my thinking behind it, throw it on for long trips because gas stations are sparse on the eastern side of I5 in Oregon, but if it kills mileage idk if it's the plan even it looks awesome, becuse looking great doesn't help 100 miles into nowhere

OH and I don't wanna "doxx" you, but I know exactly
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This was the my thinking behind it, throw it on for long trips because gas stations are sparse on the eastern side of I5 in Oregon, but if it kills mileage idk if it's the plan even it looks awesome, becuse looking great doesn't help 100 miles into nowhere

OH and I don't wanna "doxx" you, but I know exactly
where that guitar and bicycle store is haha!! It's never open when I stop by
Where do Ya call home? I'm in Roseburg. There are a few of us on here in Oregon. PM if ya dont want to post here
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I think the handling is much improved with a rack and weight over the front wheel. Really like it.
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IMHO weight on front not a problem if it is not overweight. I just pump up front wheel and tight up spring a bit.
I never thought about affects on speed and fuel economy as oopsclunkthud mentioned above.

Here is my mate on LML 200 4T. But my choice for fuel can is on the centre floor.
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Where do Ya call home? I'm in Roseburg. There are a few of us on here in Oregon. PM if ya dont want to post here
I don't mind at all, Im in Woodburn! Halfway between Salem and Portland
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OH and I don't wanna "doxx" you, but I know exactly
where that guitar and bicycle store is haha!! It's never open when I stop by
Yeah, Bicycles 101 - Tim, the owner, is semi-retired. He's now closing up shop to be fully retired and is having a "Closing business" sale - when he's open Razz emoticon
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I don't mind at all, Im in Woodburn! Halfway between Salem and Portland
RAD! I was just driving thru your neck of the Wood(burn) the other day. Went to NOFX show in portland. NoFx, TSOL, Subhumans, PennyWise, others. Bot a bad day
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Some of my long-term projects:
Smallframe.
Spare tire holder with gas tank, along with a larger tank that eliminates the toolbox.

Allstate/VNA.
Tunnel top tank.
Not sure how to pull this off yet
Something like this
Something like this
Saw this in Spain. SIP used to carry that and the radio. $$$ though
Saw this in Spain. SIP used to carry that and the radio. $$$ though
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Allstate/VNA.
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Not sure how to pull this off yet
https://saigonscootercentre.com/product-category/vespa/long-range-tanks/

They also sell the rear spare carrier bracket.
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An ironic side effect I hadn't considered..
Lucky you carry extra fuel, so can ignore fuel economy
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10lt in bag on back, plumbed into tank via gravity feed with a tap that i hopefully remember to turn off
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Doesnt seem to be a problem in China for carrying extra gas, and you can play with your mobile phone at the same time.
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10lt in bag on back, plumbed into tank via gravity feed with a tap that i hopefully remember to turn off
How far did you go? Round the world???
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How far did you go? Round the world???
Those Aussies do 600-800KM on a weekend just for shakedown rides.
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Those Aussies do 600-800KM on a weekend just for shakedown rides.
This year The Mille (1000km in 2 days) is in Mooloolaba, & Ginchi & I live over 2000km (via highway) from there, and we will be "taking the scenic route" to get to the startline.... so extra fuel is essential.
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How far did you go? Round the world???
Speedy has a tendency to use 9-10lt/100km!

Hopefully the addition of a fuel pump will help with getting some form of fuel "economy" as running out every few hundred kms is not ideal!
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Ok, sorry if I'm just a non-attentive twat, but where did you find that rack? I may need it for my ride from Tempe to Tucson to Nogales in November. My "Touring P" needs for fuel range.
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I thought this was a really trick solution. I'd be heading more this direction if I was building a touring bike with tubeless rims.
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Interesting, until that gas cap pops off and all the fuel dumps on the road. Or the plastic can melts on the exhaust, and fuels dumps on to the hot pipe…
Not to mention, loss of a spare tire, but that could be remedied with an accessory rack or something.

Maybe something with a metal can
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Interesting, until that gas cap pops off and all the fuel dumps on the road. Or the plastic can melts on the exhaust, and fuels dumps on to the hot pipe…
Not to mention, loss of a spare tire, but that could be remedied with an accessory rack or something.

Maybe something with a metal can
It's hard to tell if it's Rotopax or a Rotopax knockoff, but i would have absolutely zero concern with a true Rotopax gas can or cap failure. They're pretty Chandler (bomb) proof. I agree on the loss of the spare tire though.
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I thought this was a really trick solution. I'd be heading more this direction if I was building a touring bike with tubeless rims.
Love this. Think I would have the filler on the high side but otherwise it's great.
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What's SPARKWHIZ?
It's a poor Samazon knockoff brand of the original Rotopax mount.
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It's what happens when you pee on an electric fence.
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That's what I thought.

Many moons ago on one of my first time's getting completely ratted on beer (btw; I've never liked beer, first time appreciating something like that was when i drank Guinness or Black/Dark Ales) while on cuzzies farm & they had a very low electric fence... well, it sure was tricky missing it each time i needed to go!

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It's a poor Samazon knockoff brand of the original Rotopax mount.
It's concerning that they have "SPARK" on a fuel tank!

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