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I love the absolute retro wonder of these angular elites. Anyone know how the 250 stacks up against the GTS in theory?
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Dude -- if you don't buy it, I'm liable to jet up to OR and pick it up for myself! Had a friend who had an Elite 150 a number of years ago, and it was rockin'. If it runs (mostly) and is complete (mostly) you oughta snatch that sucker up. Let us know if you do...

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I messaged the seller. I realized the listing is a few months old though so I suspect it's long gone.
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Bummer. But if you get another chance at another one, I would snag it for sure!

Victor

(BTW -- there's a pretty decent Honda Helix forum online. It's no MV [!!!] but it's still a pretty nice li'l forum.)
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Beautiful survivor!

They ride nicely and reportedly can do 70-ish MPH. Keep in mind, they're doing that on 10" tires and have cable-operated drum brakes on both ends.

The engine is an MF01E, 2V head. They make 18.5hp in good health, so not quite as peppy as a GTS.

The CVT is a bit soft, but minor mods (Polini blue spring and sliders) help. Stock rollers are 23mmx18mm and weigh 23gr each. I recommend 24mmx18mm Dr. Pulley sliders at 21gr each. You'll have decent acceleration and top out in the upper 70s.

Carb is a bit lazy too. I usually drill the slide vacuum hole from 5/64" to 3/32" and re-jet the main jet up a few points (I think stock is #98 and I'd go with a #102 or #105).

There's also a trick with re-setting the valves to get a little extra power, but I'd reserve that if the previously listed mods didn't get you the desired amount of zip.
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If you suddenly think you're "elite" us plebs might not want to associate with you anymore. Maybe a good thing?
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I remember when those showed up in California back in the 80's. We considered them ugly and "plastic." But they were smooth and fast, and worthy competition. The owners, mostly middle-aged folks, would seem a little bewildered when we kids with our hopped-up P200s would pull up wanting to race.
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As AZ already mentioned, the tune is on the soft side as most Hondas are. They are not zippy, but more than capable. And being a typical Honda, will last forever with a minimum of fuss. I think the Helix is the better ride, however, with the longer wheelbase and front disc brake. Probably the easiest engine to work on with the seat removed (one bolt removal) and a whole lot easier to find parts for than the Elite as they have quite a following all over the world, like Vespa.
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Is that what Sarah Conner rode in The Terminator?
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Is that what Sarah Conner rode in The Terminator?
No, I think his name was Kyle.
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Okay, another one, though not a scooter. I will easily fall for any green bike. I'm an easy mark.

https://siskiyou.craigslist.org/mcy/d/etna-1996-triumph-trophy-1200/7755955187.html

Part of me wants something that's more comfortable spending hours at a time on the freeway. A lot of my GTS tire ends up ground into I5 but sometimes it's an easier go than others, for sure.
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That was a gold '84 Elite 125.
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Oh noooo a new challenger approaches...
Brittle. Repair parts cost a fortune. Limited real estate for your feet. Ergos are *meh*. Under-seat storage is kinda useless. It's the older MASTER engine, not the larger twin-plug version; a Majesty or Burgie 400 can walk it despite the horsepower advantage.

BV500 = 39hp
Majesty = 33.5hp
Burgman 400 = 32hp

I worked on two of these 460 powered Piaggio's for a friend. He was ultimately disappointed and ended up with a Majesty, until he got a "deal" on a '13 Burgman 650.
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Brittle. Repair parts cost a fortune. Limited real estate for your feet. Ergos are *meh*. Under-seat storage is kinda useless. It's the older MASTER engine, not the larger twin-plug version; a Majesty or Burgie 400 can walk it despite the horsepower advantage.
Appreciate the feedback! I don't need massive power, it's just be nice to have headroom on the freeway to pass. That being said I can't stand the look of the other maxi-scooters. The Scarabeo I would also like. High repair costs are a definite pause though!
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Appreciate the feedback! I don't need massive power, it's just be nice to have headroom on the freeway to pass. That being said I can't stand the look of the other maxi-scooters. The Scarabeo I would also like. High repair costs are a definite pause though!
That's the rub; the 460cc felt pretty gutless stock. I mean, it'll feel powerful if you're coming up from a 125cc. We did the belt/rollers/fluids/filters/plug/valve adjustment on his X9 EVO and his BV500. In both cases, they were still sluggish compared to twin cam 400cc machines.

The BV fell over on soft ground and damaged its headset. Broken blinker, headset cowls displaced and rubbing on the leg shield. We dismantled the headset and ordered all the busted crap to put it back as it was prior to the tumble. Pretty sure we spent close to $500 in parts.

Please tell me you're eyeing the later Scarabeo 500; the earlier model looks like the lovechild of a Yamaha Vino and an Indian Roadmaster.

If I was pressed to look at a Piaggio-group maxiscoot, I'd look for an Aprilia Atlantic 500.
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Trenchleton wrote:
Okay, another one, though not a scooter. I will easily fall for any green bike. I'm an easy mark.

https://siskiyou.craigslist.org/mcy/d/etna-1996-triumph-trophy-1200/7755955187.html

Part of me wants something that's more comfortable spending hours at a time on the freeway. A lot of my GTS tire ends up ground into I5 but sometimes it's an easier go than others, for sure.
Looks like a good buy to me, I can't understand how a Touring Bike like that
is only averaging less than 550 miles a year, don't bikers travel over your way? I do more than that on my pedal bike
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If I was pressed to look at a Piaggio-group maxiscoot, I'd look for an Aprilia Atlantic 500.
Yeah I'm not tied to Piaggio specifically I just want something that looks mostly like a GTS and can go 100, give or take. Sooo much of my riding is WOT.
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You might also want to check CycleTrader. Search for specific makes and models to find bikes near you.

You might pay a bit more, but most dealers stock stuff that is in reasonably good shape. You won't find "project Bikes" and basket cases.

In regards to the Elite 250, the brakes are a big weakness; easily overcome by the speed this bike is capable of making.

I've been enamored by the OG Aprilia Scarabeo 500; with the matching side cases and topcase, it would make for a good looking and excellent touring scoot. It has the Master 460 engine mentioned above which might be a detractor, but I prefer the look and riding position of the Big Beo to the Burgmans.

Burgman 650's tend to have issues with their CVT. The 400 and 200 are very capable machines.

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