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I picked up some new projects today:

1979 P200 - Incredibly clean and unmolested. No rust and no dings in the body. Hasn't run for more than 20 years. Tank is clean. PO says it needed a clutch and that was what parked it.

1974 Primavera 125. With only 750 miles on it it has had a hard life. It is all there but will need bodywork, AND, I think the front fork is bent. You will see in the pictures why I think that.

1979 50 Special. Missing loads of stuff and some rot around where the battery once was. But straight and no real rust anywhere else. Will be needing a tank, carb, and both doors if anyone has these stashed away.

First going to go through the P200. Usual checks, cables, hardware, brakes, check the harness, etc. Then pull the engine and replace the seals and maybe the cruciform. Not a huge fan of replacing the bearings if they don't need to be. A good clean is usually all that is needed. Get it running and then figure what to do with it.

The other two are more of a challenge. I have never had nor worked on a small frame. Same routing as the P200 but with a more intense engine rebuild and perhaps an upgrade on the Primavera.

Does anyone have an opinion on whether the parts are fully interchangeable between the 50 and the 125? Would the fork from the 50 fit on the 125? I may want to build a SS homage scoot from the pair.

Thoughts and suggestions appreciated.
1979 50 Special
1979 50 Special
P200
P200
1974 Primmy
1974 Primmy
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Rubbing - bent fork?
Rubbing - bent fork?
No Gap?
No Gap?
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Cool, congrats. P is awesome!
Chatis wrote:
Does anyone have an opinion on whether the parts are fully interchangeable between the 50 and the 125? Would the fork from the 50 fit on the 125?

Yes and yes.
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Nice scores!!

Combine those 2 smallies into one!
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Is the 50 Special a 3 speed?

And yes, your Primmy fork seems to be bent. The short lower leg the wheel mounts to should be parallel to the long leg going up thru the frame to the headset. Can you give us a pic straight on from the right side w/ steering set straight ahead?
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V oodoo wrote:
Is the 50 Special a 3 speed?
Four speed
V oodoo wrote:
And yes, your Primmy fork seems to be bent. The short lower leg the wheel mounts to should be parallel to the long leg going up thru the frame to the headset. Can you give us a pic straight on from the right side w/ steering set straight ahead?
Seems obvious doesn't it?
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Just a tiny hair

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Not quite so dramatic but it is bent. The white 50 special is not! At least here
White is straight, orange is bent.
White is straight, orange is bent.
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Can someone please share with me if there is a difference between the 50 and 125 engine door. The pictures below show why I am asking.

If the discrepancy is because the sheet metal is bent should I push the front (closer to the floorboards) out or back out?
The shape of the door looks like it should fit.  The door is from the 125.
The shape of the door looks like it should fit. The door is from the 125.
if you look carefully the hinge tab on the door is about 1/4" wider than the landing spigot
if you look carefully the hinge tab on the door is about 1/4" wider than the landing spigot
Again, if you look carefully the spigot looks bent in toward the engine.
Again, if you look carefully the spigot looks bent in toward the engine.
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Love the minis
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Chatis wrote:
Can someone please share with me if there is a difference between the 50 and 125 engine door. The pictures below show why I am asking.

If the discrepancy is because the sheet metal is bent should I push the front (closer to the floorboards) out or back out?
The doors are the same for both models. Looks like the mounting lug on frame and/or the tabs on the door are tweaked. I've had to finesse the fit of most of these doors. So a little tweaking to get it to fit properly is to not out of the ordinary.
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Chatis wrote:
The other two are more of a challenge. I have never had nor worked on a small frame. Same routing as the P200 but with a more intense engine rebuild and perhaps an upgrade on the Primavera.
Highly recommend these two videos (part 1&2) before a motor rebuild.
I went in blind

Mostly, there's an order of doing things that differ from the LF's, that will cost you some time going backwards.

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