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Just spotted this 1976 Vespa 90, which I rarely see in my market and I am unsure of what a fair offer is. They didn't give a listing price, just said make an offer in the listing. It has a title, runs, cosmetically just ok not perfect and has a 133 kit.

Any ideas on value would be great, thanks.
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Depends on where you live, demand and if it's been tinkered with, people pay more for original spec as they can trust the mechanisms have been maintained for a while or no one has gone looking inside the case. I'd say £1.8k in the UK
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How many miles and is it a four speed? I see that it's also got some kinda pipe.

It's the end of the season and could be anywhere from 1000 to 2000 depending on those things, close up condition, how it runs & rides and how many ppl see the ad & are interested, plus whether owner needs to sell or is just willing to. Spring or early summer maybe add another 500?

If it's close enough, I'd go do an inspection ASAP & take a test ride w/ a couple grand stashed in my car and THEN hope a fast cash offer will do the trick.
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Depends on where you live, demand and if it's been tinkered with, people pay more for original spec as they can trust the mechanisms have been maintained for a while or no one has gone looking inside the case. I'd say £1.8k in the UK
You couldnt give them away in the 1980s. I bought one for £60.00 complete with a spare primavera engine and primavera forks, front wheel etc. But smallies today, yes, agree go for daft money in the UK mainly as most of them have rotted away, were cutdown and amazingly fun and stable to drive when kitted up. I paid 1300 for a 1984 motovespa PK75 XL; but then a shitload of cash refurbing engine, tank, unobtainable parts, stator etc., As the v90 is a classic, easily worth 1.5 to 1.8k if clean and unkitted in the UK unless its full of rot and filler; whats underneath that floor mat? Normally a tell. I dont know how many survive in the US and that will be an indication of their value IMO.
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Very nice and good evaluation of OEM spec vs. kitted.
The problem with original spec. is that pre PK is say half a century old and thus not likely to be unopened because of age/mileage/use which lands you almost in the same uncertainty as kitted.
Ditto ´restored´ which can be properly done or nicely veneered bodge. Even here in the south where rot tends to be a non issue. Sadly ´restored´ is all the rage here.

My P200E is a ´good´example: It is a very nice paint job on a rot free chassis with matching numbers engine. A good engine too. Same thing components. Basically a good running good buy. Alas; not.
The ´bodge´ factor being that the guy who put it back together was not much of a mechanic ánd took the weirdest short cuts. Half a year on I am still sorting out niggles. Latest thing is a wheel mounting stud which was fitted cross threaded. You don´t find that until you take the wheel off.
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Very nice and good evaluation of OEM spec vs. kitted.
The problem with original spec. is that pre PK is say half a century old and thus not likely to be unopened because of age/mileage/use which lands you almost in the same uncertainty as kitted.
Ditto ´restored´ which can be properly done or nicely veneered bodge. Even here in the south where rot tends to be a non issue. Sadly ´restored´ is all the rage here.

My P200E is a ´good´example: It is a very nice paint job on a rot free chassis with matching numbers engine. A good engine too. Same thing components. Basically a good running good buy. Alas; not.
The ´bodge´ factor being that the guy who put it back together was not much of a mechanic ánd took the weirdest short cuts. Half a year on I am still sorting out niggles. Latest thing is a wheel mounting stud which was fitted cross threaded. You don´t find that until you take the wheel off.
I think it's safe to say that any old Vespa is going to cost another 50% in repairs , parts , labour, IMO depending on ability . They are a money pit unless you get lucky and I've got lucky a couple of times in over 40 years where there's always something needing doing. That 90 is what, fifty years old , if it's rot free it's a rarity .
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smallie like that one 1800-2200 depending on the details in my market.

assumes proper title and up to date registration. if not, start cutting value.

Greasy's rules of pricing (thought the maths look funny for the last step ):
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my formula is divide everything in half for each major "infraction" such as those that make the bike not complete or unable to run or operate.

so, let's apply it to this particular situation:

bike is "worth" 5000
bike is not running- 2500
bike is in pieces- 1250
bike is is missing difficult/expensive/hard to find parts- 625
bike has no title- 500
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That bike looks very familiar. If is the one I sold to a guy in this area a few years ago, it was in great condition and very fast. Is it in Westchester ?
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That bike looks very familiar. If is the one I sold to a guy in this area a few years ago, it was in great condition and very fast. Is it in Westchester ?
The listing was actually deleted about a day after it was posted so I'm assuming it sold and quickly. I believe it was posted on the other side of the river up in Ulster county so maybe it was your bike.
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