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The user "Vespaforfun" has published the first detailed ride report on the Vespa GTS 310 in the German forum. I don't want to withhold this from you. (Again: this report is not from me personally!):

"Hello,

I had the opportunity to compare both models today and would like to share my experiences with you.

One thing first:
This is not a test report!

As I understand it, this contains the correct and calibrated measurement of driving performance and other data, it merely reflects what I experienced and "felt".
It is therefore still a matter of subjective impressions based on the experience of 12 years of driving the GTS and almost 300,000 km - so there is no guarantee! (before the "forum block watchers" start complaining again)

So today I was able to compare both models in almost the same condition, the only difference was the mileage of the two models.

Model 1: GTS 300HPE RST "Supersport", model 2023, with 698 km mileage
Model 2: GTS 310HPE "Supersport", model year 2025 with 184 km mileage

Both models in standard delivery condition, no changes to variator, engine, software or exhaust,
both models with original Vespa Cruiser windshield, without luggage rack, top case or other accessories!

Procedure:
I deliberately used a standard 300 as a comparison and not my own vehicle!
My 23 GTS has undergone too many "changes" to be able to make a reasonable comparison.

The first difference is immediately noticeable when starting the engine. The 310 starts almost immediately, without the starter motor even turning once.

At idle (both GTSs in cold (24°C outside temperature) condition), however, there are virtually no noticeable differences, the revs feel marginally lower on the 310 and there is virtually no noise from the variator.
When setting off and accelerating gently, there is no noticeable difference at first, but here too the 310 feels less "strained".

There are no differences on the suspension side because there are no changes, so I'll leave this area out of the equation.

Now we come to the really noticeable differences:
When accelerating fully from a standstill, the 310 remains audibly quieter, and the "hesitation second" that we know from all standard GTSs is almost imperceptible.
On the other hand, the 310 feels much more powerful when accelerating. I then asked the salesman that we drive a "drag race" side by side with both models up to 50km/h, 80km/h and 100km/h to have a direct comparison.
We are both in the weight class between 90 and 100kg on the road, so it's quite comparable...

Result:
the 310 takes almost a Vespa length off the 300 on the sprint to 50km/h, up to 80km/h it's one and a half and up to 100km/h almost 3 Vespa lengths difference.

Now the whole thing in comparison 50km/h to 100km/h and 80km/h to 120km/h
Here, the 310 outpaces the 300 by several lengths. The difference from 80km/h to 120km/h is particularly striking, with almost 50m in between.
I find it particularly impressive how the 310 converts throttle input into instant propulsion. I always had the impression that I was riding with a slipping belt on the 300 (which of course isn't true, but it feels like it).

Both tests were of course repeated with different riders to compensate for any weight differences between the riders.
All km/h values given are speedometer values and not GPS based!

I then drove onto the highway to do the top speed comparison. Although both engines don't have much mileage, the difference was clearly noticeable.
The 310 reaches the speed limiter (which is still there) at 140km/h much more relaxed and also feels a lot faster than the 300, but remains significantly quieter in comparison (as far as can be judged by the wind noise)
The 310 has hardly any noticeable vibrations over the entire speed range even when the power is fully utilized and after reaching operating temperature, I often thought to myself when the 310 was stationary: Is it still running at all?

Of course, you have to get used to the vacuum cleaner sound (especially if you ride an open Remus RS 2.0 every day), but that's the norm at the moment and to be more honest, it's not a problem.


Based on my modest impressions after this comparison, it is quite clear to me that the 310 can do everything in a bit and some things (traction and smoothness) much better than the 300.

The surcharge has remained moderate and nothing has changed on the chassis and bodywork side anyway. The now finally (matt) black switch elements make a high-quality impression, are easy to operate and fit in very well with the "Supersport" look.
You can argue about stickers in general and on the Vespa in particular, personally I would remove them, as I did on my current one.
I still think it's a shame that there are still no standard black brake levers, lettering or Vario covers (the covers on the current GTV don't fit on the 310, of course) on the "Supersport", but the accessories trade has to live, too.

So do you urgently need to upgrade to a 310 if you ride a 300 HPE RST?
Quite clearly: No!
Do you want the 310 once you've ridden it?
Clearly: YES!

For me personally, this means that I will replace my current one after two years and not after 3 years in the spring, namely with a blue "Supersport".

Let's see how far the software and exhaust experts have come by then, I didn't get the impression that the 310 has already reached the end in terms of performance if you free it from a few (currently necessary) restrictions.

In this sense:
Happy Vespazieren... Laughing emoticon"
Translated with Deepl.com / Source: https://vespaforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=64439
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Can only but imagine Vespa kept a little power back in the fuelling and ECU of the 300 to release the 310, all the bike companies do it, that is why so many tuning companies popup at some point, once they figure out how to get into the software.
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Can only but imagine Vespa kept a little power back in the fuelling and ECU of the 300 to release the 310
I don't understand what you're trying to tell us...
The 310cc engine is completely new developed. Compared to the 300 (278cc) engine, more than 70% of the parts are new.
If your point is that volume manufacturers try to strike the best balance between power and durability in an engine, then that's true.
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Thanks for the feedback, what I think I am hearing is a more refined GTS. Smoother, less vibrations, lower RPMs, and I wonder if Vespa is killing the character of the motor? Making an engine too smooth is not necessarily a good thing, I have seen this done on different brand motorcycles and customers complained.

It seems the seat-of-the pants performance is less than spectacular, description makes it seem like a 150 vs 300, but 1/2 a bike length or 2 bike length isn't impressive enough IMHO for a new engine.

One can only wonder who Vespa is targeting, new riders, old riders, or staying ahead of EPA/Emission regulations....
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Engine can be what it is but most of power is always found in software tweeks and fuelling, engine is just for reliabilty, I may be wrong who knows.
GermanGTSDriver wrote:
I don't understand what you're trying to tell us...
The 310cc engine is completely new developed. Compared to the 300 (278cc) engine, more than 70% of the parts are new.
If your point is that volume manufacturers try to strike the best balance between power and durability in an engine, then that's true.
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Is the 310 really hitting 140 kph? That's 86 mph, and my GTS 300 has never seen that speed. The limiter kicks in much closer to an indicated 80 mph (really about 76 actual mph).

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Jayhawk wrote:
Is the 310 really hitting 140 kph? That's 86 mph, and my GTS 300 has never seen that speed. The limiter kicks in much closer to an indicated 80 mph (really about 76 actual mph).

Eric
Hmm - my 2010 GTS gets to 84mph (gps) quite regularly. But the limiter is bouncing then, so I tend to back off a bit.
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Jayhawk wrote:
Is the 310 really hitting 140 kph? That's 86 mph, and my GTS 300 has never seen that speed. The limiter kicks in much closer to an indicated 80 mph (really about 76 actual mph).

Eric
I thought it was a real 127kph which is 140 with the speedo tax added.

This all sounds like a really nice incremental update. Adding on last years front suspension improvements.
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Hmm - my 2010 GTS gets to 84mph (gps) quite regularly. But the limiter is bouncing then, so I tend to back off a bit.
I perhaps should have mentioned mine in a 2020 HPE GTS, and I have heard they're a touch more limited on tip end than the pre HPE models.

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Hmm - my 2010 GTS gets to 84mph (gps) quite regularly. But the limiter is bouncing then, so I tend to back off a bit.
2010 had an rpm limiter but no speed limiter. HPE and newer have both.

Trivia: I've read the relevant code in the ECU BIN for pre-HPE and HPE.
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Whatever they do, I still think the speed limit is plenty on the 300, scoot is light and nifty but on motorways in heavy wind you do not want to push to the limit and then get hit buy crosswinds at any higher speed.
SteelBytes wrote:
2010 had an rpm limiter but no speed limiter. HPE and newer have both.

Trivia: I've read the relevant code in the ECU BIN for pre-HPE and HPE.
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Whatever they do, I still think the speed limit is plenty on the 300, scoot is light and nifty but on motorways in heavy wind you do not want to push to the limit and then get hit buy crosswinds at any higher speed.
Yup.

I'm not generally looking for more speed ... Last week: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBdZVTPPjC3/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Great thing about OZ is if weather does not get you, anything that moves will also, sis lives in Perth.
SteelBytes wrote:
Yup.

I'm not generally looking for more speed ... Last week: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBdZVTPPjC3/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Great thing about OZ is if weather does not get you, anything that moves will also, sis lives in Perth.
Never been to WA, bit of a long ride. They have Quokkas though which are too cute to kill you (or so they pretend).
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Great thing about OZ is if weather does not get you, anything that moves will also, sis lives in Perth.
Does she move?
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Paluss wrote:
what I think I am hearing is a more refined GTS. Smoother, less vibrations, lower RPMs, and I wonder if Vespa is killing the character of the motor? Making an engine too smooth is not necessarily a good thing, I have seen this done on different brand motorcycles and customers complained.


I'm 2 months new to Vespas and to me this iconic scooter is a 2-stroke oil burner with a popping exhaust note which gives it a soul.
While I appreciate technology the new Vespas seem to lack this vibe. If I was in the market for something refined I'd be looking at a Japanese scooter at a fraction of the cost. Also, I wouldn't want to be cruising at 140km on 12" tires for any length of time.....jmho
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Che-Storto wrote:
I'm 2 months new to Vespas and to me this iconic scooter is a 2-stroke oil burner with a popping exhaust note which gives it a soul.
While I appreciate technology the new Vespas seem to lack this vibe. If I was in the market for something refined I'd be looking at a Japanese scooter at a fraction of the cost. Also, I wouldn't want to be cruising at 140km on 12" tires for any length of time.....jmho
The vast majority of people would only cruise in a car for any length of time and for the rest it is a sliding scale

As to ´soul´ I would say 12" give 140 km/h some ROFL emoticon
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German GTS Driver , thanks for posting that piece. It certainly answers a number of questions people have been asking👍
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German GTS Driver , thanks for posting that piece. It certainly answers a number of questions people have been asking👍
And raises a new one: how long until anyone can buy the GTS 310 in the USA 🤣
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In her younger days maybe but at 90 not so much more, but she can bite
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I've been riding Vespas for 40 years. I built the hell out of my Rally 200 back in the day, rode like hell, and somehow lived. I've had my GTS250 to 84 mph GPS-verified. These days I no longer want to go much over 50 mph for very long on a scooter. It gets me to work and back. I won't be upgrading anytime soon.
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I recall reading here...

https://www.motorcyclepowersportsnews.com/new-piaggio-mp3-310/#:~:text=The%20scooter%20is%20equipped%20with,along%20with%20reduced%20fuel%20consumption.

that the displacement increase was done by maintaining bore but increasing stroke.

These are the specs in the new MP3 310...
The current 278cc makes 23.8hp and 19.1 lb/ft of torque.
The new 310cc makes 26.4hp and 20.1 lb/ft of torque

That's 10.9% increase in hp and 5.2% more torque.

This explains the improved performance mentioned by the OP. Seems like a nice bump in performance.
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CrazyCarl wrote:
I recall reading here...

[…]

that the displacement increase was done by maintaining bore but increasing stroke.

These are the specs in the new MP3 310...
The current 278cc makes 23.8hp and 19.1 lb/ft of torque.
The new 310cc makes 26.4hp and 20.1 lb/ft of torque

That's 10.9% increase in hp and 5.2% more torque.

This explains the improved performance mentioned by the OP. Seems like a nice bump in performance.
Please note that your technical data applies to the MP3 310.
You can find the final technical data for the Vespa GTS 310 on https://www.vespagts310.com/vespa-gts-310-technische-daten

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Jayhawk wrote:
Is the 310 really hitting 140 kph? That's 86 mph, and my GTS 300 has never seen that speed. The limiter kicks in much closer to an indicated 80 mph (really about 76 actual mph).

Eric
Get a new speed ring on your GTS and it'll do 85mph, mine does
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BBoy Dave wrote:
Get a new speed ring on your GTS and it'll do 85mph, mine does
I'll get that done with the next service. I don't like going that fast, but when many of our backroad highways in Kansas has top speeds of 70 or 75 mph, it's nice to be able to speed up for short bursts if needed.

Thanks for the reminder about the speed ring!

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Hi, I have seen several pictures of the new 310, and it looks really interesting. I have 2 questions:

1 - I think it is stated that the variator is not changed. Does the added power and torque put more strain on the belt during acceleration, leading to even less life to the belt and rollers?

2 - The right side view of the scooter seems to show a fan where the water pump used to be. (just in front of the exhaust). That looks like the location of the fan on the Piaggio Fly I used to have. Is this correct? If so, where is the water pump relocated?

I am no mechanic, but I'm naturally curious!

Thanks for your replies.
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DHH wrote:
Hi, I have seen several pictures of the new 310, and it looks really interesting. I have 2 questions:

1 - I think it is stated that the variator is not changed. Does the added power and torque put more strain on the belt during acceleration, leading to even less life to the belt and rollers?

2 - The right side view of the scooter seems to show a fan where the water pump used to be. (just in front of the exhaust). That looks like the location of the fan on the Piaggio Fly I used to have. Is this correct? If so, where is the water pump relocated?

I am no mechanic, but I'm naturally curious!

Thanks for your replies.
1 - Variator/Belt is different!

"The new CVT calibration enables a reduction in fuel consumption, increased smoothness at low speeds and lower engine noise thanks to the more efficient drive belt, the new stiffer clutch drum and the new CVT cover with sound-absorbing material."
https://www.vespagts310.com/vespa-gts-310-motor


2 - I'm not sure what pictures you've seen.... but with a fan where the water pump cover is normally located, it's almost certainly a 125/150cc GTS (the water pump is directly under the fan)
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GermanGTSDriver wrote:
1 - Variator/Belt is different!

"The new CVT calibration enables a reduction in fuel consumption, increased smoothness at low speeds and lower engine noise thanks to the more efficient drive belt, the new stiffer clutch drum and the new CVT cover with sound-absorbing material."
https://www.vespagts310.com/vespa-gts-310-motor


If there is a more efficient drive belt (I would think they mean lasts longer), I hope it will retrofit on the current HPE 2.
If it has to deal with more power and torque of the 310, it could solve one of the things I accept , but don't enjoy, on my 23.
That and longer valve adjustment intervals.
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If there is a more efficient drive belt (I would think they mean lasts longer), I hope it will retrofit on the current HPE 2.
Nope!

As I understand it, the belt has a different length.
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That and longer valve adjustment intervals.
Nope!

The maintenance intervals for the 310 are exactly the same as for the 300...

https://www.vespagts310.com/vespa-gts-310-faq/wartung#welche-inspektionsintervalle-gelten-fuer-die-vespa-gts-310
(Replacing the belt and adjusting the valve clearance every 10,000 km)
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