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As a handful of you have noticed, we've been quietly accepting donations (in the internationally recognized currency unit of "a coffee") for the last 8 months or so. This has been modestly successful, in that we are generating a small revenue stream that helps offset the cost of running the site.

However! (and there's always a "however") it appears to me that a very small number of people are buying a lot of coffee. Too much coffee, maybe. You know who you are. I appreciate it -- genuinely! -- but I'd prefer a scenario where more people contribute a smaller amount of mon… err, coffee, rather than a few people making the lion's share of the contributions. In other words, I would like to get closer to the concept of many hands make light work.

With that in mind, I have made a few changes to the Buy Me A Coffee system.
Cheaper Coffee
Effective immediately, the cost of a single unit of coffee will be US$3, instead of US$5. It's totally okay to buy a single coffee. Or two. Or five. Or whatever you want. The starting point is now just a bit more reasonable.
Memberships
I have turned on memberships through Buy Me A Coffee, which are a lot like patronage via Patreon. This is effectively a monthly contribution to the site, and I have set the tiers according to my ideal of many hands make light work -- at US$1, US$2, or US$3 per month. If you'd like to save on an annual membership, you can do that too -- for US$10, US$20, or US$30 per year.
What's In It For You?
But before you get too excited, I want to stress: there isn't going to be a members-only subforum or any exclusive content. If you decide to subscribe, please do so because you want to support the site. And if you don't want to, or think we don't deserve it, or can't fit it into your budget, that's perfectly okay! Modern Vespa has always been -- and will continue to be -- a free site and an exercise in community service.

I will acknowledge, however, that the desire to have stars upon thars never fully goes away, so I will grant a small reward -- a profile award -- to anyone who signs up for a subscription. The award will remain on your profile for as long as you remain a subscriber.

There are three awards that correspond to the three tiers. I have attached the full-size artwork for these (admittedly tiny) awards for your consideration.
What's In It For Modern Vespa?
One of the main challenges I've had over the years is keeping the cost of running the site as low as possible. I've spent a lot of time optimizing what can only be described as really bad software in order to remove the gross inefficiencies that the site started with. This has worked, up to a point, allowing us to run the site on rather modest hardware with rather modest monthly fees. And Amazon AWS has been good at pushing costs down and performance up, so we've benefited greatly from the relentless march of technological advancement.

It's often been the case, though, that I need more powah, or an AWS service that could provide some benefit at an additional cost. I've generally been reluctant to commit to those additional costs and new services, simply because there's no assurance that the referral fees we earn from Amazon links will cover the hosting costs in any given month. It's all highly variable.

A subscription model, with recurring contributions, stabilizes the income stream and lets me plan service expansions with less guesswork about how to pay for it.
No Pressure
Again, this is completely optional, and nobody should feel any obligation or pressure to support MV. Do it if you want to. Don't if you don't.
How do I sign up?
Here's the link, if you're interested: Buy Me A Coffee
More Recognition
All of our supporters are listed on the official Supporters Page.
Supporter (US$1 / month or US$10 / year)
Supporter (US$1 / month or US$10 / year)
Enthusiast (US$2 / month or US$20 / year)
Enthusiast (US$2 / month or US$20 / year)
Superstar (US$3 / month or US$30 / year)
Superstar (US$3 / month or US$30 / year)
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Great idea! I seriously didn't know what the "Buy me a coffee" thing was till znomit said something about it (thanks for that!). Thanks Jess.
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A quick question:
If I wanted to sign up for, say, a $20 membership, would it be a one time charge or a recurring auto-bill?
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Brilliant! James Hoffmann would be so proud.
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A quick question:
If I wanted to sign up for, say, a $20 membership, would it be a one time charge or a recurring auto-bill?
Short answer: Subscription memberships are inherently recurring, either on a 30-day or 365-day basis. But subscriptions aren't necessary, either. Just buying a coffee (the original functionality of buymeacoffee.com) would be the appropriate way to contribute without a recurring payment.

Longer answer: https://help.buymeacoffee.com/en/articles/4368555-things-you-should-know-before-subscribing-to-a-membership-plan
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No paypal. Yeah i know you don't run buymeacoffee.com but that's an issue for me. It only presents a credit card form even though their faq says it should also support Google pay and Apple pay.
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No paypal. Yeah i know you don't run buymeacoffee.com but that's an issue for me. It only presents a credit card form even though their faq says it should also support Google pay and Apple pay.
I admit I have no insight into that at all.
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It only presents a credit card form even though their faq says it should also support Google pay and Apple pay.
I'm not sure how useful it is to you, but I get presented with the Apple Pay button on my phone for buymeacoffee when the ad blockers are turned off. (Looks like it's running off of Stripe.)
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Like BajaRob, I was ignorant of the actual function of the "Buy me a coffee" feature, figured it was literal. I appreciate this place for the wealth of knowledge and information, as well as the grand entertainment.

Thanks to all who make it so.

Bob

*I was able to use Google Pay at "checkout"
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Instructions unclear. Are you going to post your address so we know where to mail the coffee? And what kind of hardware are you running? Drip, Keurig or Nescafe?
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Bravo! What would we DO without this place??? Facepalm emoticon I'm in.
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I'm not sure how useful it is to you, but I get presented with the Apple Pay button on my phone for buymeacoffee when the ad blockers are turned off.
That's a no-go right away here.
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That's a no-go right away here.
I think he means on the actual buymeacoffee.com website, when attempting to complete a transaction. That certainly doesn't happen here on MV, as the link at the bottom of the page is just a plain link that I am in control of.

I hold it as self-evident that an ad blocker that blocks you from doing something that you actually want to do is a shit ad blocker.
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I hold it as self-evident that an ad blocker that blocks you from doing something that you actually want to do is a shit ad blocker.
Coffee is definitely not a shit blocker, although Colby cheese may be.
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Coffee is definitely not a shit blocker, although Colby cheese may be.
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I think he means on the actual buymeacoffee.com website, when attempting to complete a transaction. That certainly doesn't happen here on MV, as the link at the bottom of the page is just a plain link that I am in control of.
Yes!
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I hold it as self-evident that an ad blocker that blocks you from doing something that you actually want to do is a shit ad blocker.
Alas, I sometimes don't know what I don't want until I don't have it

On iOS with AdGuard, it is a little aggressive and requires basically giving elevated privs on known-good sites. From experience with all the QR code pay-by-phone restaurants around here, external payment functionality often gets swept up.

I was mostly speaking to the original comment on Apple Pay not being supported by buymeacoffee.com, which at least seems to work for me in my region on my platform of the day.
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Bravo! What would we DO without this place???
Personally, I'd be dead from caffeine overdosing.


Pa, does this all mean Elmo isn't buying MV?
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Pa, does this all mean Elmo isn't buying MV?
He offered $9.5M, and wouldn't budge further.

I told him to pound sand.

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There's a restaurant in town which had a menu item for buying the cooks a beer. I guess it was popular as the last time I was there that item was gone!
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I tried, though the only and somewhat non-standard email address I use, seems to have been rejected by stripe/Buy Me A Coffee because it ends in a two digit country code. πŸ˜’

I have never encountered that with any other payment provider.

They should at least accept other forms of payment such as cryptocurrencies or PayPal if they decide to randomly reject email addresses.
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I tried, though the only and somewhat non-standard email address I use, seems to have been rejected by stripe/Buy Me A Coffee because it ends in a two digit country code. πŸ˜’
what ending? most of the world uses a two letter ending? are you really suggesting stripe/coffee rejects most of the world?

PS, it's two letter not two digit
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I tried, though the only and somewhat non-standard email address I use, seems to have been rejected by stripe/Buy Me A Coffee because it ends in a two digit country code. πŸ˜’

I have never encountered that with any other payment provider.

They should at least accept other forms of payment such as cryptocurrencies or PayPal if they decide to randomly reject email addresses.
That seems like probably an oversight on their part, given the country code (or what I think is the country code you are talking about).

Thanks for trying, regardless. I appreciate it.

PayPal has become widely shunned by donation services, due to their draconian chargeback policies. As I understand it, a reversal on a $1 donation will result in a $20 fee for the recipient, making PayPal a great tool for abuse.
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SteelBytes wrote:
what ending? most of the world uses a two letter ending? are you really suggesting stripe/coffee rejects most of the world?

PS, it's two letter not two digit
I don't know the exact reason for BMAC disliking my email address, but since it is formatted xxxxx@xxxxx.ai I can't see anything else that likely would have them reject it.

Well, my apologies for calling letters digits. English is the third language I acquired the ability to communicate in and so far today I've used four different languages. πŸ˜€ Things happen when you switch back and forth....
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jess wrote:
That seems like probably an oversight on their part, given the country code (or what I think is the country code you are talking about).

Thanks for trying, regardless. I appreciate it.

PayPal has become widely shunned by donation services, due to their draconian chargeback policies. As I understand it, a reversal on a $1 donation will result in a $20 fee for the recipient, making PayPal a great tool for abuse.
You are welcome.

I contacted them and let's see what happens.

I understand them likely not being too happy with PayPal policies, neither am I, at least not entirely. There is a need for better ways to make small scale payments.
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As a moderator I've checked, and giallo's email address is perfectly valid, with a normal, recognised two-letter country code. However, that doesn't mean to say that 'whoever's servers will recognise it - remembering a time when AOL decided that only USA addresses were valid. That didn't last long...
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jess wrote:
That seems like probably an oversight on their part, given the country code (or what I think is the country code you are talking about).

Thanks for trying, regardless. I appreciate it.

PayPal has become widely shunned by donation services, due to their draconian chargeback policies. As I understand it, a reversal on a $1 donation will result in a $20 fee for the recipient, making PayPal a great tool for abuse.
Well, the BMAC people didn't get back to me. As a workaround, I used a different and disposable email account this time.

Somewhat weird that my universally accepted and entirely legit email address wasn't allowed, but one that's not connected to me is fine. Whatever.

Just posting this in case someone else finds themselves in that situation.

Thank you for MV!
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Well, the BMAC people didn't get back to me. As a workaround, I used a different and disposable email account this time.
Excellent!
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Somewhat weird that my universally accepted and entirely legit email address wasn't allowed
Agreed.
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Thank you very much for the support! πŸ™
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Bug hereabouts, only with the kiwi $ I think.
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Bug hereabouts, only with the kiwi $ I think.
Oh, weird. Yeah, that looks like a bug. Pretty sure it is out of my control, but I will report it.
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Bug hereabouts, only with the kiwi $ I think.
Doing some conversions, the yearly rate of NZ$55 is pretty close to the US$30 cost of a superstar membership, but the NZ$10/mo is pretty wonky. I reported it, but I am wondering if there is a minimum floor of NZ$10 for some unknown reason.
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Nah the lower tier conversions are ok.

It may be worth getting in a huff over.
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