Modern Vespa : Hydraulic disc brake for 50 Special.

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OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote SaFiS wrote: The 40mm studs are too long. SIP rims need 35mm... Thanks, SaFiS. I know, But 35mm not in stock for long time and who knows when will be back. Cut studs is not a problem. I may wrong but 40mm works with SIP rims and drum brake hubs. Will look.

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Absolutely exhausting half day of grinding, sanding, cleaning, grinding, sanding, cleaning, grinding, sanding, cleaning... But now hub is ready for the glass blasting finishing. It is not perfect, but better than I expected. And carrier still need more sanding, sanding, sanding... Positive

GeekLion UTC details The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC
GeekLion The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC	UTC quote That looks great!!

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whodatschrome parallelogramerist Joined: UTC Posts: 6023	UTC quote roland87 wrote: The story continues - SIP 40mm studs and VMC DTM brake disc arrived. To mount brake disc it is need to cut five notches for rivets. I also start to grind off that ring on the hub. ohhhh! I like how that 5 star is looking without that ring! Definitely the smart choice on that Roland. Now i want to do the same thing on mine.

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote whodatschrome wrote: ohhhh! I like how that 5 star is looking without that ring! Definitely the smart choice on that Roland. Now i want to do the same thing on mine. I was in doubt about that ring. 50/50 remove or left. But when you pointed on it I decide to remove. Absolutely not my favourite work but now I'm happy with the result.

GeekLion UTC details The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC
GeekLion The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC	UTC quote roland87 wrote: I was in doubt about that ring. 50/50 remove or left. But when you pointed on it I decide to remove. Absolutely not my favourite work but now I'm happy with the result. Looks like it will finish out well. Personally I like the ring, as an extra detail; but it mosdef looks super clean & custom all smooth. nice work!!

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Just received parts after glass blasting. Of course not perfect but absolutely acceptable for me. Positive

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'13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S

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More progress.
SaFiS you was right - 40mm studs is too long. So I cut them to 35mm and mount into hub.

I also put new bearings and seals. I decide to use wider needle bearings.
For the hub HK2020 instead of HK2016.
For carrier HK2216 instead of HK2212. Then it turned out that there is no space in carrier for two HK2216. So I put in HK2216 and standard HK2212. Another option is HK2216 and HK2214 but I couldn't find the last one in decent quality.

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HK2016 vs. HK2020

HK2212 vs. HK2216

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GeekLion UTC details The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC
GeekLion The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC	UTC quote Lookin real clean n mean. Nice touch and good tip with the wider bearings

Petrus UTC details Molto Verboso P200E DN 1982 Joined: UTC Posts: 1195 Location: Vva. del Rosario - Málaga - España
Petrus Molto Verboso P200E DN 1982 Joined: UTC Posts: 1195 Location: Vva. del Rosario - Málaga - España	UTC quote I don´t do envy but this comes véry close! Véry neat Roland and will be ever so much better funtionally.

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Thanks mates. Hours of googling, reading, thinking and comparing and in the end I decide to choose Ottopuntouno. Today it arrived. Nice overall impression, in hands better than on pics, but still I don't like levers.

SaFiS UTC details Veni, Vidi, Posti 1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1987 PK125XL Elestart, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E Joined: UTC Posts: 5068 Location: Veria, Greece
SaFiS Veni, Vidi, Posti 1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1987 PK125XL Elestart, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E Joined: UTC Posts: 5068 Location: Veria, Greece	UTC quote Looking great Oleksandr! Links on these??

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote SaFiS banjo bolt and caliper bolts. Tell me if links works, Aliexpress is terrible. BTW banjo bolt was too long, I need to cut it down.

Petrus UTC details Molto Verboso P200E DN 1982 Joined: UTC Posts: 1195 Location: Vva. del Rosario - Málaga - España
Petrus Molto Verboso P200E DN 1982 Joined: UTC Posts: 1195 Location: Vva. del Rosario - Málaga - España	UTC quote roland87 wrote: I need to cut it down. Titanium Good luck cutting them down. Beejeezus did I have struggles with that weird metal. Also always use anti galling/seize when fitting, ALWAYS, even just grease.

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Petrus wrote: Titanium Good luck cutting them down. Beejeezus did I have struggles with that weird metal. Also always use anti galling/seize when fitting, ALWAYS, even just grease. Only caliper bolts is titanium, and them is proper length. Banjo bolt is stainless and need to be cut.

Petrus UTC details Molto Verboso P200E DN 1982 Joined: UTC Posts: 1195 Location: Vva. del Rosario - Málaga - España
Petrus Molto Verboso P200E DN 1982 Joined: UTC Posts: 1195 Location: Vva. del Rosario - Málaga - España	UTC quote Phew

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Added a bit of individuality. Positive

GeekLion UTC details The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC
GeekLion The Dude Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money Joined: UTC Posts: 2464 Location: PNW from LBC	UTC quote ACE!

Ginch UTC details Veni, Vidi, Posti 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe Joined: UTC Posts: 9594 Location: Ballarat VIC, Australia
Ginch Veni, Vidi, Posti 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe Joined: UTC Posts: 9594 Location: Ballarat VIC, Australia	UTC quote roland87 wrote: Added a bit of individuality. Very cool. Now you'll have to check every time you park to make sure people can read it! 😁 Positive

BajaRob UTC details Ossessionato 1961 VS5T, 1981 P200E, 2003 Malaguti F12 Phantom,Rigid Frame Chopper, 2001 Harley FXDXT Joined: UTC Posts: 2037 Location: Ventura, CA
BajaRob Ossessionato 1961 VS5T, 1981 P200E, 2003 Malaguti F12 Phantom,Rigid Frame Chopper, 2001 Harley FXDXT Joined: UTC Posts: 2037 Location: Ventura, CA	UTC quote Love the little details you add to your builds. Makes a big difference. I'd love to see what you'd come up with if you built a custom chopper!

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Thanks mates) BajaRob I like almost all two wheels creatures but from motorcycle side I prefer dual-sports, enduro, scramblers etc. I have 2001 TT600R, close to stock but do what it must do perfect. Positive

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roland87 wrote:

Thanks mates)

BajaRob I like almost all two wheels creatures but from motorcycle side I prefer dual-sports, enduro, scramblers etc. I have 2001 TT600R, close to stock but do what it must do perfect.

Sweet old school thumper!

Quick note: i think you need to relocate the speedo cable so that it goes just inside of the right fork. Then you would need to located the black colored speedo drive hub into the index on the lower right fork lug. The speedo hub should be facing back towards the rear of the bike quite a bit more.

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'13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S

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whodatschrome wrote:

Thanks for the tip! Speedo cable was always little PITA. I tried different positions cable and drive hub but this is was optimal. Anyway there is TTO Endurance II waiting for installation. So no more this weird cable and chinese speedo cog which die very fast.

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Molto Verboso

'13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S

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Molto Verboso

'13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S

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Bottom end was mounted.
It was harder than I thought and took all my free time this evening.
Absolutely unable to put in lower shock absorber bolt and here cut out on mudguard help a lot. I unscrew shock, compress spring and turn it down with carrier. Inserted bolt and turn it back. I also was need to grind a bit holes for bolts on the shock absorber mount.

In the end all good and much better than I expected about LML hub looking.
I think that removing ring from the hub is main gamechanger, thanks whodatschrome.

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roland87 wrote:

Bottom end was mounted.
It was harder than I though and took all my free time this evening.
Absolutely unable to put in lower shock absorber bolt and here cut out on mudguard help a lot. I unscrew shock, compress spring and turn it down with carrier. Inserted bolt and turn it back. I also was need to grind a bit holes for bolts on the shock absorber mount.

In the end all good and much better than I expected about LML hub looking.
I think that removing ring from the hub is main gamechanger, thanks whodatschrome.

WOW! That whole front end looks very handsome. Nice work. Now i'm extra motivated to take the LML 5 start hub off of my PK fork and remove the ring off of it!

Ginch UTC details Veni, Vidi, Posti 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe Joined: UTC Posts: 9594 Location: Ballarat VIC, Australia
Ginch Veni, Vidi, Posti 74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe Joined: UTC Posts: 9594 Location: Ballarat VIC, Australia	UTC quote Looks great Roland! I find it easier to put the bolts in from the opposite direction.

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Ginch wrote: I find it easier to put the bolts in from the opposite direction. Impossible with LML carrier )

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Bottom end done. Only one question - what torques for caliper M8 bolts and banjo bolt?

whodatschrome UTC details parallelogramerist Joined: UTC Posts: 6023
whodatschrome parallelogramerist Joined: UTC Posts: 6023	UTC quote I'm not going to make it too easy for you, so here's where i get my torque specs from. The caliper torque spec is listed here.. https://beedspeed.com/en-us/pages/vespa-recommended-torque-settings

OP roland87 UTC details Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.
OP roland87 Molto Verboso '13 LML Star 200, '81 50 Special, '81 P 150 X, '89 PK 50 Nuova, '84 PK 50 S, '82 PK 50 S Joined: UTC Posts: 1749 Location: Ukraine. Kyiv.	UTC quote Great. Thank you whodatschrome. I even need to convert LBF. FT. to Nm

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Almost done.
It turns harder than I thought.
When I mounted bottom banjo to hose I had some doubts about its tightness.
But there was surprising that top banjo started to leak a bit during brake bleeding. I redone top banjo with cut hose a bit and new olive.
After that I understand what I did wrong with bottom banjo. I was right and it started to leak very little. Result the brake is work. How good nobody knows before spring. But it feels strong.
Too cold now so I have lot of time to redone bottom banjo.
Anyway not so bad for the first time working on brake hose.

Lever is catching something inside handlebar and not smooth moving. Need to file a bit.

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