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You might have seen pics of this in the gallery a couple months ago.

I picked up this '64 Vespa 90 in non-running condition, and have been able to start working on it over the last few weeks. When I first checked it out after buying it, it didn't have ignition. That was resolved by installing a new condenser and the results were a nice strong spark.

After getting spark I found that it was not getting any fuel. The tank pretty much had corn flake size rust chunks in it, so that put the project on hold until I finished moving into my new home and had time to dig into it. Once settled into my new place I pulled the tank and tried a trick suggested by Len Smith, naval jelly and a box of drywall screws. Shaken, not stirred. After about 10-15 minutes of jumping up and down with the tank, it looked good, but just not ready for fuel. So after some research on the net, I tried something called 'reverse electro-plating'. This worked out great, low effort and great results. To do this, the tank was placed into a bucket of water mixed with baking soda. Attached to the tank was the negative side of my car battery charger and a steel rod is also placed into the bucket while connected to the positive side of the charger. The steel rod can't touch the tank while doing this. When the charger is turned on, the rust is basically pulled off of the tank to the steel rod with a positive charge. I did this over several days, changing the water every 24 hours, brushing paint off the tank, and rinsing the rust out as well. This was also done with a rod that I suspended in the tank to help pull it from the inside as well as the outside. When I stopped seeing noticeable results after about 4 days of this, I stopped and did one more treatment with the naval jelly. This time I used about a ½ a carton of BB's with the jelly and the results were great after about 20 minutes swirling the BB's around in the tank! Next I finished sanding off the last bit of paint on the tank and primed it with some ruby red primer. After priming and putting the gas cap back together, I installed the fuel tap and poured in 2 cups of pre-mix oil into the tank to coat the insides to protect from rust forming until I could get around to starting up the scooter.

In between all the de-rusting activity it was time for a trip down to Motorsport Scooters for a fuel tap, tap wrench, and a carb rebuild kit. I soaked the carb over night in carb cleaner and then installed the new gaskets and needle. Once that was done the carb went back into the scoot to wait for fuel!

Today I installed the fuel tank, made my fuel line connections, turned on the gas for a couple minutes and gave it a few kicks. Nothing happened at first, so I pulled the plug and noticed I still had the original plug that came with the scooter when I bought it. I installed my fresh plug and it started on the first kick! I ran it for a few minutes to see how it would run and it did pretty good, so I grabbed my gear for a few laps around my neighborhood. Tried the brakes out in the driveway first and then went out for my laps. Headlight worked, but need brake and tail light. No horn and shifting is a bit rough, but a complete cable change is in the near future.

I have a few photos of some of the work done to the tank and will also put a link to some more pics on Flickr, as a well as videos on Youtube. Didn't take as many photos as I should have, but you can still we what was going on.

Blab la blab la, more updates as time goes on.
Today after taking it's first laps around the hood.
Today after taking it's first laps around the hood.
Fuel tank before paint and rust removal.
Fuel tank before paint and rust removal.
Fuel tank in the reverse electro-plating bucket.
Fuel tank in the reverse electro-plating bucket.
Bottom of tank after reverse electro-plating.
Bottom of tank after reverse electro-plating.
Top of tank after reverse electro-plating.
Top of tank after reverse electro-plating.
Tank after ruby red primer has been sprayed.
Tank after ruby red primer has been sprayed.
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Youtube video of it being started up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jBfpNngBB4



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http://www.flickr.com/photos/skrans/sets/72157602298467100/
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Hey Steve,

Great job! It's so cool when you can take a 43 year old bike, clean the tank and the carb, change the condenser and the plug and kick it over!!

Nice job on the video too.

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Wow, what an inspiration. Is that a bottle of vinegar? Do you use that in the soda water?
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Wow, what an inspiration. Is that a bottle of vinegar? Do you use that in the soda water?
Thank you... I did do a 24 hour soak with vinegar in the tank, but the results were not that great. The reverse electo-plating did most of the work for me, along with that last internal scrub down with the jelly and bb's.

Here is a link to a short video showing the reverse electro-plating. This was the start of the last round that I did.

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Fascinating.

It was kind of hard to tell in the video, but you didn't have the anode rod *inside* the tank, right? just near the inlet?

What was the amps (2/6/12) you set on your charger?
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Fascinating.

It was kind of hard to tell in the video, but you didn't have the anode rod *inside* the tank, right? just near the inlet?

What was the amps (2/6/12) you set on your charger?
In the video of the de-rusting, you can see in the begining that I have a rod going into the tank. It might be a little hard to see since I have some plastic tube over it at both ends so that the rod would not short out on the inlet and outlet of the tank. There is also a rod on the outside of the tank too. I think I had my charger set to 12A while I was doing this.
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Wow, what an inspiration. Is that a bottle of vinegar? Do you use that in the soda water?
Thank you... I did do a 24 hour soak with vinegar in the tank, but the results were not that great. The reverse electo-plating did most of the work for me, along with that last internal scrub down with the jelly and bb's.

Here is a link to a short video showing the reverse electro-plating. This was the start of the last round that I did.

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Pretty cool, that tank cleaned up better, and apparently with less elbow-grease than any I've seen!
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Pretty cool, that tank cleaned up better, and apparently with less elbow-grease than any I've seen!
Anyone bringing a rusty tank to shop day? We can do a demo! Hahahaha!
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I picked up a spare tire set up today and thought I would post a few pics of it being put together.

It was pretty easy, except for the fact that I destroyed one stud on the split rim. Now I need to see if I can replace the one stud, or if I just need to eat it and go pick up another rim. I set my torque wrench to 10lbs thinking that would be ok since my GTS wheels gets mounted onto the bike at that setting. Everything was fine until I tightend up the last nut, and just as it felt like the wrench was going to click... It kept spinning. It took about 30 minutes to cut off the the nut thinking I might be lucky and it was was the nut that had gone bad, but nope, it was the stud. I put it together anyway and will take a look at it again next week when Motorsports opens back up.
All of the parts before assembly.
All of the parts before assembly.
Made sure the tube and the inside of the tire was clean so nothing wear down the tube.  Also filled it up a little bit to make sure it wasn't binding any where.
Made sure the tube and the inside of the tire was clean so nothing wear down the tube. Also filled it up a little bit to make sure it wasn't binding any where.
Installed onto one half, making sure valve stem was in correct position.
Installed onto one half, making sure valve stem was in correct position.
Installed the second half of the rim finger tight until I went back torque wrench.
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So cool!
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The reverse electo-plating did most of the work for me, along with that last internal scrub down with the jelly and bb's.

Here is a link to a short video showing the reverse electro-plating. This was the start of the last round that I did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VD61f2XsWQ
So cool! I've never seen electrochemistry done in a ScoopAway container before.
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I like the look of the new wheels!
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RustAway should be! Yup, that's pretty cool...
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The reverse electo-plating did most of the work for me, along with that last internal scrub down with the jelly and bb's.

Here is a link to a short video showing the reverse electro-plating. This was the start of the last round that I did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VD61f2XsWQ
So cool! I've never seen electrochemistry done in a ScoopAway container before.
The ScoopAway containers have been great for cleaning parts and for storage!
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I like the look of the new wheels!
Thanks Len!

I forgot to get a couple pics of it mounted on the scoot.

Will probably be doing a remount next week since I screwed up that one stud on the spit rim. That is the first time in years I have jacked anything up like that!

Oh, does anyone know if it's bad, normal, or a problem if the kick starter hits the ground when you kick it over?
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keep the photos coming
Are you a small frame fan, or just a junkie?!

I'll keep the photos coming as I continue. Doing a little bit of body work on the leg shields right now, but not sure if what little I can do will be visible on camera. The leg shields were/are a bit beat. I have been able to pound out a lot of stuff, but it will never be perfect with my novice body work skills! But it's still fun!
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Yesterday and today was also body work day. I picked up the 7pc hammer dolly kit from Harbor Frieght and decided to take a shot at fixing my leg shields that looked like hamburger. Now they have been upgraded to ground beef!

Im not going to go for total perfection on the body work and won't be using any filler either. Just want it to look a little better than what it had turned into after being kicked, beaten, smashed, or whatever else has happened to it in the last 43 years.
Places where the metal is exposed is where it had been beaten with a stick or who knows what.  Not perfect, but MUCH better than what it was.
Places where the metal is exposed is where it had been beaten with a stick or who knows what. Not perfect, but MUCH better than what it was.
This side had a section that would pop back and forth like when you play with an empty beer can while your friend fetches you a cold one.  It took a while to get it out, just hope it stays that way!  More work to do on this side as well.  Again, not perfe
This side had a section that would pop back and forth like when you play with an empty beer can while your friend fetches you a cold one. It took a while to get it out, just hope it stays that way! More work to do on this side as well. Again, not perfe
The channels on both sides of the floor boards were pretty bad.  I was able to beat them back into better shape than what they were, but will attack them again at another time.
The channels on both sides of the floor boards were pretty bad. I was able to beat them back into better shape than what they were, but will attack them again at another time.
The collection hanging out in the driveway while I clean up the garage.
The collection hanging out in the driveway while I clean up the garage.
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The legshield is already looking way better, good work!
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grscum, i am a bit of a vespa junkie, i do love small frames, but i especially love watching restorations. great work and thanks for those photos.
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grscum, i am a bit of a vespa junkie, i do love small frames, but i especially love watching restorations. great work and thanks for those photos.
I'll keep the photos updated as I go with the various things I plan to do with this scoot. I don't think I will be going for a full on restoration, although I will try to fix the dents and dings just so it looks a bit better when I go to primer it up. This will probably be more of a mechanical project since I would like it to be good reliable scoot that I can ride around town and maybe take it out for some long day rides at some point too.
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hey, i love the topcase on your beautiful gts. is it a givi or the piaggio model?
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Don't know if you've seen this before. The quality's not fantastic but worth a look.
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Hahhaha! It's the staples model for a fraction of the piaggio or givi units.
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Yesterday's project was playing around trying to make use of the legshield basket that came with my small frame. I liked the looks of it as well as the looks with the spare tire mounted in the legshield area. So I thought I would try to fit the two together and see what happens. It came out ok, but I could have made the shap of the cuts a bit better, I forgot the tire was round! Hahahaha! Sure, it wont hold much other than a couple bottles of water and a news paper.

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I like it, and it looks like you've worked some magic on those legshields.
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I like it, and it looks like you've worked some magic on those legshields.
Thanks!

Well, not sure if I could call it magic, but they are looking better. It would be nice if I could get it side by side with another small frame so I can make sure Im going in the right direction with the body work. I still have to do a little work by the tail light and on the left fender. The dings there are minimal, but still want to get them out if I can. The front fender is a bit beat as well, so not sure if I will pound it out, replace, or cut it up rat bike style.

So far it's been pretty fun doing the body work!
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Yesterday's project was playing around trying to make use of the legshield basket that came with my small frame. I liked the looks of it as well as the looks with the spare tire mounted in the legshield area. So I thought I would try to fit the two together and see what happens. It came out ok, but I could have made the shap of the cuts a bit better, I forgot the tire was round! Hahahaha! Sure, it wont hold much other than a couple bottles of water and a news paper.

Any thoughts?
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Yesterday's project was playing around trying to make use of the legshield basket that came with my small frame. I liked the looks of it as well as the looks with the spare tire mounted in the legshield area. So I thought I would try to fit the two together and see what happens. It came out ok, but I could have made the shap of the cuts a bit better, I forgot the tire was round! Hahahaha! Sure, it wont hold much other than a couple bottles of water and a news paper.

Any thoughts?
That's a GREAT idea!! I'm always lookin for space to pack stuff away on my scoots.
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Yesterday's project was playing around trying to make use of the legshield basket that came with my small frame. I liked the looks of it as well as the looks with the spare tire mounted in the legshield area. So I thought I would try to fit the two together and see what happens. It came out ok, but I could have made the shap of the cuts a bit better, I forgot the tire was round! Hahahaha! Sure, it wont hold much other than a couple bottles of water and a news paper.

Any thoughts?
That's a GREAT idea!! I'm always lookin for space to pack stuff away on my scoots.
Let me know if you would like some more photos of the cut up basket so you can see what I did and also see where there is room for improvement. I shouldn't have cut too much out on the bottom sides, that would have made things a little more secure. Like I said above, forgot the tire was round and cut too much! Hhahahhaha!

Be sure to post pics if you do it!
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This little guy has been sitting off to the side the last couple of months, but this weekend I am getting to spend a little quality time with it. This morning I have installed the horn and changed the gear oil. The horn is just zip tied into the horn cast right now since I just need it in for DMV inspection and it will be back out so I can do some body work on it. If I can find a neighbor to hold the gear selector, I will do a gear cable adjustment next. If not, a little lap around the hood for some fun.

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Ok, like I said earlier, nothing too exciting. Horn is installed but sounds funny. I think I need to try adjusting the diaphragm. Also changed the gear oil but couldn't find anyone to hold the gear selector, another day....
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One step closer to being able to get a title for my small frame! Things went good at the CHP for the VIN inspection. The only thing that could ruin it now is the DMV telling me I need more inspections because the firts guy told me the wrong info! Will find out in the next couple of weeks when I get back to the DMV.

The officer at the CHP was pretty nice. He knew what it was when he came out, but then decided to scare me when he came back with the paper work. First words out of his mouth when he came out the door: " The numbers on this came back stolen.". He saw my head drop and said he was messing with me!
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Keep it up, man. There needs to be more vintage project threads on this forum. It really demystifies the whole thing for folks that only have new bikes, and encourages people to clear a spot next to the GT in their garage for another scoot

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Rover Eric wrote:
Keep it up, man. There needs to be more vintage project threads on this forum. It really demystifies the whole thing for folks that only have new bikes, and encourages people to clear a spot next to the GT in their garage for another scoot

-eric
Thanks Eric!

When I decided to get into scooting after taking a several years off from dirt bikes, I almost went vintage first. However at the time I just didn't have the time tinker and wanted reliability for a daily commute, nor the garage space for a project bike. Now that I have my new crib with 3 car garage, it's ON! After I pick up the title and get it insured, I'll ride it around the hood for a month or so to figure out what it needs, then will attack it like the Weazer!

Oh, thanks for the great help you provide for people on here! Im sure Ill be needing some as well.
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The title is in the mail! Decided to swing by the DMV after work and got lucky that it wasn't busy. After about 10 minutes of waiting I turned in my paper work and walked out 5 minutes later with license plate in hand! I zip tied it on for now and will call for insurance tomorrow... Then this weekend I will be rockn' the hood!
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Duh, I didn't see you had this thread until today! Nice work!

I did an initial cleaning on my P tank with some boiling water, a ton of Simple Green and a good handful of nuts/bolts/pennies. It loosened up a lot of stuff inside and giant gooey pieces of gas-smelling dog poop came out of it. One more de-greasing and I have a bottle of Naval jelly ready to go, just gotta find some time!
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Hey Steve, congratulations on getting the titling process finished! Now you can get a customized license plate like HRLY_KLR.

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It's been a while since I have taken some time to work on the small frame, so today I decided start looking at the front brakes. Brakes looked good, so left them on. Cleaned up the drum, and replaced the front cable and sleeve.

I still need to figure out how to remove the hub so I can grease up the bearings.

Also, could someone with a small frame post a picture of their brake cable running into arm that actuates the brake? I forgot to take a pic to make sure I set it up the same after replacing the cable.... Thanks.

Maybe some more work tomorrow... But I might just relax instead!

Some more pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/skrans/sets/72157606000847785/
Forgot which way to run the cable!
Forgot which way to run the cable!
Took out the headlight to run the brake cable.
Took out the headlight to run the brake cable.
Also removed speedo to help run the brake cable.
Also removed speedo to help run the brake cable.
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Could a vintage pro offer some tips on how to pull the front hub out? I have the drive gear pulled and ready to go. Don't see any c-clips to pull? Do I press out by the shaft or by the inside or outside of the bearing? Took a few taps with a rubber mallet and a socket, but no luck. Didn't want to risk any damage, so looking for some vintage pro help.

Pics here if you want to comment on flickr, on here.

http://flickr.com/photos/skrans/sets/72157606063474057/detail/

Thanks for your help!
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