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Well that was fun. Mclaren's finally bumped and dumped. I guess Oscar is now the official papaya #1. Happy for Kimi and George.
Boooo for Max. (Just because he's Max.)
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Well that was fun. Mclaren's finally bumped and dumped.
It was inevitable, really.

Quite happy for George and especially Kimi.
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So, what kind of bias is it if an American is happy to see an Italian win his first podium? I don't really consider myself Anglo-Saxon (at all) and surely Kimi isn't considered Anglo-Saxon either.

But surely I must be biased, if I'm to believe the advice on this thread.

I'm so confused.
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Now there's this:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6427913/2025/06/15/red-bull-protests-george-russell-canadian-gp-f1/

If I was Russell, I'd claim that he was aspiring to be like Max and was merely emulating his charm.
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Now there's this:
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Story has been updated in the last 20 minutes. Stewards have told RB to pound sand. ROFL emoticon
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Story has been updated in the last 20 minutes. Stewards have told RB to pound sand. ROFL emoticon
Can the stewards give out penalties for frivolous complaints?
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The Cheating Shitbag.
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Great showings from Ocon, Hulkenberg and Alonso.

Red Bull just look like a bunch of hypocrites right now.

I think that Norris should just settle down and realise his position in the team.

Happy for George and Kimi.
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Red Bull just look like a bunch of hypocrites right now.

Yes, Max should get a point on his license for ... sómething*.
He sure would have gotten two or three if hé had done the chanceless collision causing Norris move instead of those senseless 5 secs.
* The RB protest was a pre-emptive strike defense (popular US military tactic) against Max potentially receiving a penalty for overtaking under safety car.


Great job by Russell.
For the rest lost interest after 40 laps or so.
Saw the rest in highlights later.

I do wonder about the turn of speeds: Mercedes looked like the McLarens, the McLarens not. Could make the rest of the championship less predictable.
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My respect goes out to Lando for putting his hands up and admitting that it was his fault.

That can't be an easy thing to do.
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My respect goes out to Lando for putting his hands up and admitting that it was his fault.

That can't be an easy thing to do.
Agreed on both counts.
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He sure would have gotten two or three if hé had done the chanceless collision causing Norris move instead of those senseless 5 secs.
Collisions between team mates typically do not result in superlicense points, especially considering that Lando managed to ruin his own race and everyone else was largely unaffected. It's really not much different than if he had just stuffed his car into the wall all by himself -- which, actually, is pretty close to what happened.

The stewards typically weigh the result of an action more than the action itself. We can debate which matters more -- the action or the result -- and that is a totally reasonable debate to have.

Attempting to turn yet another incident into evidence of bias is tedious and tiresome. We're all quite tired of it. It's stupid and insulting.

Please stop.
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´Wolff was also asked about the prospect of Verstappen potentially picking up a one-race ban this year.

He thinks it wouldn't be good for F1 if the world champion missed a race.

"Absolutely. He's a main protagonist," Wolff replied. "He has his rough edges but also a fair racer. We saw yesterday that this wasn't an issue. It wouldn't be good." ´


Clap emoticon Clap emoticon agreed.
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The stewards typically weigh the result of an action more than the action itself. We can debate which matters more -- the action or the result -- and that is a totally reasonable debate to have.

Which raises the question of why thréé point for Max´s stupid move which had no consequences.
And I will leave it at that.
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´Wolff was also asked about the prospect of Verstappen potentially picking up a one-race ban this year.

He thinks it wouldn't be good for F1 if the world champion missed a race.

"Absolutely. He's a main protagonist," Wolff replied. "He has his rough edges but also a fair racer. We saw yesterday that this wasn't an issue. It wouldn't be good." ´


Clap emoticon Clap emoticon agreed.
Well if a ban wouldn't be good then Max needs to not throw childish temper tantrums on track. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
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Which raises the question of why thréé point for Max´s stupid move which had no consequences.
And I will leave it at that.
Deliberately ramming into someone else's car is a massive offense. It's also incredibly childish. The three point superlicense penalty was to make sure that Max understood that his action was unacceptable in any context, regardless of outcome.

The fact that you don't seem to recognize that simple fact underscores where the bias in this conversation actually lies.
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Going forward I would like to start a petition that this years iteration of Scuderia Ferrari be referred to as the "Marmots".

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/where-ferrari-is-failing-massively-in-its-rough-2025/

As Vasseur reflected, throwing away performance through bad execution is worth far more than any benefit car improvements can bring.

"I think we made too many mistakes collectively from the beginning with the crash in FP1, with the mistake in qualifying, with the marmot in the race," he said.
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Valtteri to Cadillac is effectively confirmed at this point.

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At teast the weather is looking ´promising´ for Austria. The track itself is a far, fár cry; shorter and much needed safer lower speed unfortunately eliminating two exhilerating corners, from when I raced there but it still lies in the mountains.
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Some interesting details about the new steward guidelines the FIA just released. Under these guidelines, deliberately causing a collision (as Max clearly did in Spain) should have resulted in a FOUR point superlicense penalty, regardless of whether there was a consequence of the collision.

So the stewards actually chose not to punish Max as severely as they could have, and according to the official guidelines.

(relevant part is at about 5:55)
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F1 has become more of a legal battle than a sporting event.

More discussions about penalty points than the racing.

I have closely followed the sport since 1969, watching every race since.

The days of Senna vs Prost had me on the edge of my seat every race.

Then Nigel came around and added to the excitement.

I have been pulling for Ferrari since Michael Schumacher pulled them up (with help).

But I was out of the country during the recent triple, actually in Bologna during the Imola race.

I recorded all three but have only bothered to watch the Imola race since returning.

Monaco is a joke and Jerez was only about Max and George's coming together.

I will probably end up deleting them.

Hoping Austria has some decent racing.

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Hmmmmm

1 Verstappen

2 Piastri

3 Norris

4 Russell

5 Leclerc
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Exactly; and not an improvement.

MotoGP and WSBK are delightful contrasts. By Jove Mugello overtaking vs F1 makes the latter a fárce, an insult to rácing. Unfortunately Liberty is going to rule there too Facepalm emoticon

Right Austria. The location is worth it alone. Hope the mountains throw in some fickle weather.
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Chapeau to Lance Stroll!!
As I wrote befor; he doés have the speed to belong in F1 Clap emoticon
Him having an überrich dad is a double edged sword.
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Alex Dunne 4th in Free Practice with McLaren.

Just sayin.
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Alex Dunne 4th in Free Practice with McLaren.

Just sayin.
Sure says something; a young hungry supertalent in the fastest car álso 4th Razz emoticon

And Stroll certainly is keeping it up in FP3. He is only behind 7 podium candidates.

Hope he puts it there in qualifying too. Same thing Tsunoda. Both guys can use a bit of a pick me up.
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1 Piastri
2 Norris
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Yuki in 10th, red bull may score a point this weekend!! ROFL emoticon

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