Modern Vespa

Hey there!
Long story short I bought an used Vespa GTS SuperTech 300 (2021) and it came without a bikefinder remote controller which I could use for opening the seat compartment etc. I asked the local dealer if they have the remote controller and to programme it. They told me that they can only do it by replacing the receiver module as well (for a lot of money ofc ). I was wondering if it is possible to get the remote controller only and get it programmed with the original receiver module (since i am pretty sure there is one in my vespa). I saw in Robot's video that he programmed previous model years vespa's remote controllers easily.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on this.

Nonsense!!!

Proceed as follows to learn new remote controls:

1. Disconnect the vehicle battery;

2. reconnect the vehicle battery;

3. within 5 seconds of reconnecting the battery, simultaneously press buttons "1" and "3" on the remote control twice.
The "Bike Finder" device confirms the learning process with a visual signal by flashing the direction indicators quickly;

4. when the new remote control is learned, the procedure is completed and the system is ready to be used.

If a remote control must be deleted from the memory of the device, the learning procedure must be repeated 4 times with the same remote control in order to use the 4 memories provided.

Thank you for the confirmation, that is what I was thinking too..

Now the other problem is that I can't find any webshop selling the remote controller separately. Seems like the remote and the receiver are sold together only.. Probably that is why the dealer try to sell me this way..

If you have any idea where can I order it without the receiver please let me know.

Ps.: i cant find a separate part number for the remote either.

That's all I can find. Both together. 1D002038

Personally I never use the finder remote with my supertech.

The remote control is available individually, with a cable set and with an alarm system (each costs more or less, of course).

I know that there are two different remote controls (NOTE: the RC only is called "for alarm system"!):

a black one with gray buttons, rather roundish: SKU: 1D001288

and a black one with black buttons, more elongated/angular, slightly larger: SKU: 1D002052

Price is around 20-30€.

According to a dealer, Vespa installs these alternately, depending on what is available at the time.

Attention: These are SKUs for European Vehicles. Maybe there a different SKUs for non-European vehicles due to different radio frequencies!

Thank you for both of your comments. Based on the above, I found and ordered the controller (SKU number: 1D002052).

I will let you know how it works when it has arrived.

This has been very helpful so far, and I hope this thread will help others who may be in the same boots as me.

You're welcome!
Please let us know how it turns out.

Hey there!

Unfortunately my struggle continues.. My remote controller has arrived today and i was very excited to pair it with the scooter. Followed the above steps and wait for it.. nothing happened..

Tried to press the buttons twice and for a longer period as in Robot's video but none of them were successful.

I am a bit clueless. Do you have any idea what could be wrong?

Szia!


According to the workshop manual, the buttons with the lock (1) and the blinker (3) should be pressed together twice within 5 seconds of reconnecting the battery.

You have not received any visual confirmation from the indicators? Try again, be fast, better to do the job with two people…

Perhaps my dealer's statement that the remote controls only differ in shape is not correct... Can you find out which remote control came with the vehicle?

For me it was like this:
Vespa GTS with blue key and the small round remote control and the other GTS with black key and the somewhat angular remote control. I'm not sure whether this constitutes a rule.

Szia!

Unfortunately I have not received any confirmation by pressing the lock and the blinker buttons. I tried it several times though.

It may not mean much, but on similar model year bikes I've usually seen the remotes I've ordered, unfortunately I don't see much chance of finding out what shape of remote this Vespa had.

My other thought is that can you check the VIN to make sure that my Vespa is indeed European? (I'd be surprised if it isn't ).

If your VIN-Prefix is ZAPMD3100 or ZAPMD3101 it is a European Modell.

Edit: 2021 SuperTech is ZAPMD3101.

Did the new remote come with a small strip of plastic to insulate the battery before first use? It may be inside the case.

Danke! Then it is European so this shouldn't be a problem. What model year are your Vespas?

I am so confused I don't want to admit that the dealer was right with the replacement of the receiver module.

Well I did not open the remote but it blinks blue if i press the button so i assume the battery is not insulated.

The one with the Blue key and round Remote Control is 2019 / the other with the black key is 2022.

The workshop manual describes that several remote controls can be programmed (up to four), so you must be able to buy them somewhere...
Why don't you go to your dealer and give him the two order numbers/SKUs of the two remote controls? Tell him to find the right one...

I might go back, my problem is that two official Vespa dealers said that it is only possible to get a new remote control together with the receiver model. So I'm afraid their answer will be that they told me at the beginning that this wont work…

I totally get your point though it is no way that you can't buy an additional remote..

I looked again on my original remote control, which I received with the vehicle. It has the SKU 1D002052 (Even if the article is labeled "for alarm system", which I do not have). Thats exactly the one you ordered…

I see the following approaches:
- Pairing procedure not carried out correctly.
- Defect in the remote control ordered.
- It makes a difference whether the remote control is round or square.
- I don't like to believe that your dealer is right, otherwise why is the pairing procedure in the workshop manual, the SKUs are identical, etc.?

GermanGTSDriver For comparison here's mine (Australian 2019 SuperTech) which has a different MHz but same part number.

I'm wondering if the module in the bike has the MHz written on it.

The frequency looks the same to me. 434 MHz.

GermanGTSDriver's looks liki 484 to me but maybe that's my eyes

It is 434 but i had to zoom in as well. Or if not i have the australian one as well.

Fuck. Guess this means it's time for new glasses 🤓

Just a thought, I wonder if there is a memory of the previous pairing on the receiver that needs to be reset first. For example, maybe the battery has to be disconnected for 24 hrs first, then try the pairing process.

Nope!

Please read the pairing instructions from Workshop manual: Disconnecting the battery, even for several months, does not delete the pairing for the remote control! Otherwise we would have dozens if not hundreds of remote controls that no longer work every spring...

Another thought.. I wonder if that means anything if the user manual i got with the scooter shows a round or rectangular remote. 🤔

I only know operating instructions with the round remote control. Unfortunately, I don't have the original printed operating instructions for my GTS 300 delivered with the square remote control.

Similar to the instructions posted above by GermanGTSDriver , here is the video

If your VIN is ZAPMD3101, then this is the full unit you need.
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/bikefinder-piaggio-for-vespa-gts-gts-super-ie-125-300ccm-4t-lc-16_PI012235?usrc=remote

If your GTS 300 is a 2022 model, then the remote is different.
https://www.ebay.it/itm/365045270810


Instructions are on page 6 of this document (a bit different than the video)

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/download/article/1/pdf/f3e864a8-d51a-4be3-86f7-6dace815d06d/Manual+PI002554.pdf?contentType=application-pdf

Video is great!

But:
The reference to the remote control and receiver set is pointless. We are discussing the fact that it should also work with the individual remote control, as shown in the video.

The reference to the keyless keyfob from MY23 (first vehicles from October 2022) is also irrelevant, it's about a 2021 without keyless.

The instructions are for programming in conjunction with the optional alarm system, which uses the same remote control (see also the video). So this only works if the alarm system is installed.

I am very grateful for all the help I get from you. GermanGTSDriver is right we are trying to get a solution to make it work without the receiver module being replaced.

An additional info, today the dealer has confirmed that the remote ordered is indeed compatible with my Vespa so I am still a bit clueless what could be the problem. Also I am trying to reach out to the former owner if he has any additional info which may help solve the mystery.

I've been fine without the remote control for the past two years, but now I just want to get to the bottom of it. I will not rest until we somehow pair this remote control with the scooter.

I want to ask - if the pairing of a new fob is as easy as some suggest - that leaves the bike wide open to be stolen by anyone who just buys a new fab and pairs it...

So there must be some extra step that "proves to the bike" that you have the authority to pair a new remote.

This is a good point, I thought the same thing but nothing really backs it up, neither the instruction manual nor the video linked above.

We are talking about the remote control for bike finder and seat bench opening, NOT keyless! If the procedure works as described in the workshop manual, the best you can do with a "new" remote control is to Open the pet carrier.

Exactly, but still it is not very safe. For example sometimes i put my backpack in it with my laptop etc..

To be fair, it's dead easy to open any Piaggio seat. So I wouldn't leave valuables in there unless you really trust the people around you...

Point taken on the not-keyless remote.

Duly noted. At the moment my vespa is safer than any other vespa since it is not pairing with the f*king remote.

A hand up under the cowl can still grab the Bowden cable and give it a tug though.

I know i was just joking.

my manual has the round remote yet my remote is rectangular

I don't know if you got the manual or not, here is one for the 4 button switch

The instructions for the alarm system were already linked above. But the Topic opener does not have an alarm system.

The remote control is identical (same SKU) whether with or without alarm system, the question here is whether a replacement remote control can be programmed (without replacing the receiver).