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Any special technique or method of getting that plate installed? I removed it to clean up and replace the green wire. Now I cannot get it back in. Already lost enough blood and broken fingernails. I am at the point where I am thinking just pack it with rags and move on...
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Are you referring to this?[img][/img]
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Are you referring to this?[img][/img]
Yip, that!
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Doesn't it just sit in the well?
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Heat it up with a hair dryer
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So the harness needs to go though the recess in the front together with the throttle cable. In that space the plastic on the engine side just goes under the lip. I cannot get hands, fingers, anything in to guide it up above the lip. I have been thinking that maybe if you push the harness back into the body to create a bunch of slack it may make it easier. But the engine bulge on the inside prevents it from being 'slidden' in.

First world problems but really frustrating spending hours trying to accomplish such a basic thing. Still leaning towards rags Facepalm emoticon Crying or Very sad emoticon.
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Try getting it almost in and fanangling the wires into the slot. Then make sure the back is in the groove. After that, get the right front side in. Then focus on clicking the front left side down and in.

It takes some wiggling and wrangling, but the front right, then the front left corners in that order is the only way I've managed.

Also, Grumpnut is correct in hearing it up with a heat gun or hair dryer, makeing it more playable.

Good luck and remember, patience Grasshopper Razz emoticon
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Harness need to go in the back recess and throttle cable in the front. The first you need to do is put throttle cable into recess, then slide tray down. It is easier when throttle and choke cables are disconnected from the carb.
You can warm it with hot water or air gun. I just left it for few hours on the sun.
Good tip from qascooter - right side first then left side.

I had done it few days ago. Bit PITA work but 15-20 minutes and done.

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A bit of grease on the nubs on the underside helps them snap into place more easily. I know this pain. The first time I did it, I pressed it in the center and cracked it right in half. The advice to start on the front right corner and working around is right. That's what I did on the SECOND one. Always order more than one if there is a high chance of self-destruction.
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Harness need to go in the back recess and throttle cable in the front. The first you need to do is put throttle cable into recess, then slide tray down. It is easier when throttle and choke cables are disconnected from the carb.
You can warm it with hot water or air gun. I just left it for few hours on the sun.
Good tip from qascooter - right side first then left side.

I had done it few days ago. Bit PITA work but 15-20 minutes and done.

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I think that is a later model. Would be Soo much easier if the harness was at the back.
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You can install the later cover on an earlier frame although it's super easy either way. I don't know why people struggle…
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I think that is a later model. Would be Soo much easier if the harness was at the back.
it is 1993 PX200. But tray is new from SIP. Same story on my 1981 P150X.
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Does a bike need this piece?

What is its purpose? Neither of my Allstates have them.
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Does a bike need this piece?

What is its purpose? Neither of my Allstates have them.
I have read that it is to prevent the ram effect of having air from the horncast travel through the frame and be forced into the carb at high speed. The air for the combustion is supposed to come from under the seat without any external factors and be sucked into the carb by the combustion cycle.

I dont know if it makes any difference.
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Does a bike need this piece?

What is its purpose? Neither of my Allstates have them.
My P won't rode proper without it. It was on higher speeds when you close throttle then open it again there was huge delay. With this tray all turns perfect.
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I have read that it is to prevent the ram effect of having air from the horncast travel through the frame and be forced into the carb at high speed. The air for the combustion is supposed to come from under the seat without any external factors and be sucked into the carb by the combustion cycle.

I dont know if it makes any difference.
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My P won't rode proper without it. It was on higher speeds when you close throttle then open it again there was huge delay. With this tray all turns perfect.
Piaggio always had good reasons for its mechanical designs. Of all four bikes I own, the only design feature I would consider weird and crazy is the shift mechanism on the small frame.
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So what is the reason do we all think? If to catch oil i would rather have a hole in the frame it can drain from.

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