Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:40 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:40 pm linkquote
I've read numerous posts on the above and just had a nail puncture yesterday (rear tire). Plugged...plug held pressure so I could get things done...street and little highway riding. Pressure was still holding when I returned home.

Overnight pressure dropped slightly and am going to have it replaced. Called the only Vespa Dealer and quote was $75 for 130/70-12 (Pirelli) and $75 for install. Reached our local Vespa group for positive outcomes from other tire repair shops...not in a big rush.

Questions:

In some prior postings, a few had recommended plug and then add Green Slime as a fix vs. replacement...I'm little apprehensive since I don't know if this is a good fix and eventually when a tire replacement is made the folks doing the replacement might not be too happy with the residue remaining in the tire...or damage to tire rim.

RE: above...if it is an acceptable fix using a sealant (below) be a better option or is it meant to be used with a pretsine tire (no puncture).

I've read there are a couple of sealants that can be added to a prestine non-punctured tire...Ride-on and Ultraseal that's suppose to prevent a bleed out should there be puncture. Since the postings were sometime back I want to know if anyone can provide a review of same?

Thanks!
Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:53 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:53 pm linkquote
I'd be inclined to replace it for safety's sake. Get something other than a Pirelli if you can. I'm pretty happy with my new Michelin City Pilot on the rear.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:55 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:55 pm linkquote
I would replace it rather than plug it myself. I'm not sure I'd feel safe riding on a plugged tire on a scooter.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:55 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:55 pm linkquote
If it were my tire, I would also put a patch on the inside of the tire. Then, I think you'd be safe to ride for the remaining life of the tire. The plug that you presently have in the tire may work it's way out over a period of time. I just repaired one in the same area on my BV500 about three weeks ago and did the outside & inside repairs just to be safe.

*Edit: I have my own tire changing equipment so it's easier, cheaper and more convenient for me to fix my own flats than someone who doesn't have the equipment.

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:12 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:12 pm linkquote
Tire plugs are considered a temporary solution. Your plug instructions probably mention a recommendation to replace the tire asap. I would, particularly, if the plug isn't keeping the air.

I would NOT patch a plug with slime. While slime might create a good seal, you'd still have a plugged tire.

Slime is meant to be used inside a new tire, to prevent a future puncture. I don't know what a tire installer would do once he has to deal with that mess (leave it all in there? ).

If you feel you have the skills and tools to do it, changing a rear wheel is not that difficult (and will save you about $80 vs what you were quoted). My story on how to change is here
Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:25 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:25 pm linkquote
If you have the money to spend and want to feel best replace the tire. People do plug there tire also if money is a issue. At my dealership I work at we won't plug a customer tire just replace. But on the inside I have been riding all summer on a plugged tire. We got a GTS250 once in the crate that had a staple in the tire. We replaced under warranty and now we had a brand new tire with a small hole. So the one mechanic helped me plug it. We used a plug with a patch made to it. We put it on my scoot since I needed a new rear tire and he said he rides his bike on fixed tires all the time to save cash. I wasn't sure at first but it has been holding very well. So I feel if done correctly you won't have any issues. Also I check my tire pressure every week to two weeks so if I would see a great drop in pressure I would know. Now the whole reason I put the fixed tire on was because I wasn't ready to replace the front yet and once the front is done I am switching to a different tire then the one that came from factory on my GTS250. I guess what I am trying to say, only you can decided what you feel ok with. If you don't feel wright riding on a plugged or sealed tire then buy a new one. If your ok with fixing the tire you have then do that.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:28 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:28 pm linkquote
A proper tire patch, applied from the inside, consists of a patch with an attached plug that goes from the inside to the outside. These are safe but because you have to dismount the wheel and tire, you have to ask whether the additional cost of the repair is worth it compared to the cost of a new tire. You will have to balance the repaired tire.

The instant (goo in a can) sealers are distributed inside the tire by centrifugal force and leave a shiny patch around the inside circumference of the tire. This is only troublesome if you want to apply a proper patch in future, not if you want to replace the tire. I don't know anything about the properties of sealers like Slime, that can seal future leaks.

Cheers and good luck,
Bob
Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:02 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:02 pm linkquote
It's just never worth it to gamble riding on a "fixed" motorcycle tire for too long.

Think about it...

If it fails again, and at the wrong time, it could really spell trouble. It's not like a car that stays upright when a tire goes. A motorcycle tire just has to do so much more work than a car tire...stop, lean, put power to the road, etc.

Tire slime and the like are just ways to save money, but at the expense of your safety.

No one here knows for certain if or when your tire plug might or might not give out, but we would all be bummed if something bad happened to a fellow rider. I for one would rather see your wallet take a dent, then your person.

Pay the bucks and replace it. It stinks, but it happens.

Heck, have fun and make the world's smallest tire swing in your back yard.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:17 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:17 pm linkquote
Yeh, Werd.
Werd.
snoozie wrote:
It's just never worth it to gamble riding on a "fixed" motorcycle tire for too long.

Think about it...

If it fails again, and at the wrong time, it could really spell trouble. It's not like a car that stays upright when a tire goes. A motorcycle tire just has to do so much more work than a car tire...stop, lean, put power to the road, etc.

Tire slime and the like are just ways to save money, but at the expense of your safety.

No one here knows for certain if or when your tire plug might or might not give out, but we would all be bummed if something bad happened to a fellow rider. I for one would rather see your wallet take a dent, then your person.

Pay the bucks and replace it. It stinks, but it happens.

Heck, have fun and make the world's smallest tire swing in your back yard.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:58 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:58 pm linkquote
That plug looks like it is pretty far up the sidewall where the tire is weaker than the center part of the tread and no shop will even put a patch there---too dangerous, especially if the hole took two plugs to fill. I got a large nail in about the same place on my rear tire (had less than 700 miles on new tires) and I too got home with a couple plugs. I replaced the tire because after experiencing a blowout at 45 MPH I do not want that thrill again. Words of wisdom----it sure is handy to have a patch and plug kit with CO2 cylinders in the pet carrier. Art
Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:16 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:16 pm linkquote
Replace the tire.

UltraSeal or Slime the new one. When it's time to replace that one, let the tech know its slimed before he starts working on it. Most motorcycle shops are used to slimed tires. Some even put it in as part of the tire service.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:17 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:17 pm linkquote
As much as it hurts to scrap a relatively new and "seemingly" usable tire ... it is a lot safer to replace it. However, before my old tires were mangled by a silly kid who (unbeknownst to me) had no clue what he was doing when he took them off my scooter, I had intended to make hanging baskets out of my tires and plant orchids in them in my orchid garden.

Vespa tires are small and quite cute. They would make a great hanging basket for all sorts of plants that don't require a lot of water. Small tires would also make a nice little hanging table in your garden, simply by adding a wooden table top, inserting it in the tire and securing it with rubber cement. Then turn it over and you have your table!

Unfortunately, mine went in the garbage as they were a complete mess by the time the kid finished mangling them.

Don't throw your tires away ... here are a few imaginative ideas for your cute little Vespa tires! http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf284146.tip.html
Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:59 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:59 pm linkquote
I've only had one puncture and the dealer wouldn't plug or patch it because of the liability. Tires are relatively cheap compared problems you might have if plug pops out at 50 mph going down a hill on a curve riding 2-up. I agreed with him and pitched a relatively new tire.

I have new stock tires that came off my GTV for sale if you are interested. I think they will fit the GT200. Details are here:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mcy/1296649323.html

Sorry for the shameless sales pitch.
Miguel

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:35 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:35 pm linkquote
Miguel wrote:
I've only had one puncture and the dealer wouldn't plug or patch it because of the liability. Tires are relatively cheap compared problems you might have if plug pops out at 50 mph going down a hill on a curve riding 2-up. I agreed with him and pitched a relatively new tire.

I have new stock tires that came off my GTV for sale if you are interested. I think they will fit the GT200. Details are here:

https://accounts.craigslist.org/post/shwpst?pii=1296649323&db=lv

Sorry for the shameless sales pitch.
Miguel
No problem...but tried link and could not get into your post on CL...will try again and let you know
Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:15 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:15 pm linkquote
Replace tire or just plug
In my case when I arrived in Bakersfield and took my GTS off the trailer my front tire was low. There was a screw in it. I plugged it right there and then. I did the Hedonism Rally up to Isabela lake in 2008 and the tire was just fine so I did Swerve n' Curve Rally and then the Apple run into Oak Glen. Thats three long rallies and rides. Three months later I got a new front tire and had Massimo do the work. The best tires I have found are the German ones called Hendueau( sound like hendow ) not quite sure on the spelling.8)
Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:55 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:55 pm linkquote
Replace it.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:56 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:56 pm linkquote
Zwerski wrote:
Replace it.
+1
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:01 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:01 pm linkquote
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No problem...but tried link and could not get into your post on CL...will try again and let you know
Sorry about that. I fixed the link and copied it here as well.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mcy/1296649323.html

Miguel
Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:30 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:30 pm linkquote
It should be replaced, as with any punctured tire on a 2 wheeled vehicle.

As for tires, I really like the stock Pirelli's. I got 6,000 miles from the first rear tire. They were not available when it was time to change, so I have had 2 sets of Michelin Pilot SC's. They were just ok. Again, I got over 6,000 from each rear tire. I am now on my 4th set, Continental Zippy's. Only 1,900 miles on them and they are wearing very well.
Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:27 pm

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Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:27 pm linkquote
I must admit that us Brits find it strange that you guys across the pond replace punctured tyres.

I am not sure that I would trust a tyre that had been plugged on the outside. The composite patch and plug done from the inside is absolutely safe, however. As long as you dismount the tyre yourself, cost is relatively low. £10 over here or about $16.
Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:57 am

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Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:57 am linkquote
Hole in tire
If you have the means, get a new tire. 8) The tire
I plugged was new, I must have gotten the screw
in the tire on the ride home from getting it replaced.
Purhaps all plug kits are not the same, my plug kit came
with 4 sticky .25 inch strings, T Handle, Cement. I got air
into the tire from a compressor and I was off on a rally.
Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:21 am

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Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:21 am linkquote
A day before the WKRP rally this year I noticed a low back tire. I filled it up and heard the hiss of air escaping. I found it was leaking at a plug in the middle of the tread. I took it into my shop and they re-plugged it as I didn't have time to have a new tire put on.

Safe or not I'm still riding on it and it hasn't lost any air since the new plug.
Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:37 am

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Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:37 am linkquote
dougl65 wrote:
I must admit that us Brits find it strange that you guys across the pond replace punctured tyres.

I am not sure that I would trust a tyre that had been plugged on the outside. The composite patch and plug done from the inside is absolutely safe, however. As long as you dismount the tyre yourself, cost is relatively low. £10 over here or about $16.
In Europe and GB there is more of an infrastructure for PTW. For the past 65 years motorcycles and later scooters have been more common, and more commonly used as transport. In the US PTWs are treated more as toys.

As a result, it isn't easy to get some services.

I'm probably more blue-collar than most on this message board, and have been using motorcycles and now a scooter for transportation. I don't have unlimited funds.

When I picked up a roofing nail with only 700 miles on my brand-new GTS, I called around to find somebody who would unmount a 12" tire, patch it properly and remount. There was nobody who would/could do it.

So there's the answer. Don't feel sorry for us though, buying an occasional tire is still better than "Full English Breakfast".

P.
Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:40 am

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Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:40 am linkquote
Paul G. wrote:
So there's the answer. Don't feel sorry for us though, buying an occasional tire is still better than "Full English Breakfast".

P.
So true!
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