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Tue May 09, 2006 6:36 pm linkquote
Perhaps this has been covered here, perhaps more than once, but I've looked around a bit and haven't found any threads on it.

I'm having one hell of a time putting fuel in the Vespa without it spewing all over the place. Even my husband is unable to do it right, and he has a scooter, too (not a Vespa). We've done it now about 4-5 times, each time as careful as possible, as slowly as we could and each time it ends up being a frigging gusher.

Jan at OKC Vespa said to just put the nozzle all the way in and it should stop the flow like a car's tank does. Nope. Not even close. Then we tried a careful drizzle, but it just flows all over. I think we're just going to have to buy a gas/petrol can and leave it in the garage to fuel up with.

When I first got the LX 150, something was wrong with my floater in the tank. The tank would be completely full, but the fuel gauge would read only half a tank. Then when I drove half a tank away the gauge would read empty. So they fixed that with a new floater and all seemed well, but today I was almost on empty, but we could only get in 1.1 gallons before the gusher happened. I thought the tank holds just under 2 gallons, yet it's completely full when we look inside. Now the gauge reads almost, but not quite, full. So I guess not only am I having fuelling issues, I'm having gauge issues again.

Anyone? Anyone?
Tue May 09, 2006 6:49 pm

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Tue May 09, 2006 6:49 pm linkquote
Re: Fuelling up....
anastasia wrote:
Perhaps this has been covered here, perhaps more than once, but I've looked around a bit and haven't found any threads on it.
Hi Anastasia,

There are a few threads around, but I'll put in my "solution".

I have worked out exactly how much fuel (in litres here in Australia) I can put in when the low fuel light just comes on, and how much more I can put in if I go another 20 km or so after the low fuel light.

For example, on my GT, I know I can reliably put 7.5 litres in if the low fuel light has just come on, and if I go another 15-20kms I can get 8 litres in.

Obviously your measurements will be different but the same principle applies - since I've been using this method I haven't had one episode of the dreaded fuel gush which used to happen almost every time....

Cheers,
CraigC

P.S. If I ever have to fill up when not on the low fuel light, I go very, very, very slowly and keep checking the level with a LED flashlight I carry... I've been told it is painful to watch, but hey, it is better than cleaning up fuel from everywhere
Tue May 09, 2006 6:58 pm

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Tue May 09, 2006 6:58 pm linkquote
I use the same method. When my low fuel light comes on, I add approx 1.7 gal to my GTS.

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Tue May 09, 2006 7:11 pm

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Tue May 09, 2006 7:11 pm linkquote
Same problem here
I also have a hard time filling up the tank without making a mess. I have found that I have to pull back on the gas nozzel and hold the trigger just barely so I can watch it fill up the tank. It seems like the gas tank hole is not deep enough to allow for the standard trigger at the gas station to go in all the way.

Also, my tank guage reads that I only have 3/4 tank full even when I've just filled it up. The service tech said I needed a new "floater." That was 6 months ago when I bought the bike brand new. Been bugging the service techs at the Sherman Oaks store to order the part for me but they suck at Sherman Oaks (as you may have seen me rant in my other postings - my local Santa Monica store closed down but they sucked too). I wonder if maybe I should have bought a Honda, but even with all the heartache, I do love my new red Vespa LX150........not going to give up on it yet.
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Tue May 09, 2006 8:15 pm linkquote
I've adopted the other folks method with my GT (learned from a prior thread) Let the light come on solid, put in 2 gallons, It's within ounces of full. I don't remember the size of the 150's gas tank so figure out your own measure. (that's just one of the handy things this relative newbie has learned here!)
Tue May 09, 2006 8:48 pm

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Tue May 09, 2006 8:48 pm linkquote
anastasia,
I just got a new LX, and had occasion to fill it a couple of days ago. I also have 2 Derbi's with the same filler neck as the LX. Your tech at OKC Vespa was correct. Put the nozzle as far into the filler neck as it'll go (usually until the spring contacts the filler neck, then pump the gas at a reasonable speed (not as fast as you'd fill your car - I'd guess about 1/10th of a gallon every second or two), and it'll shut off just shy of the bottom of the green filler neck. Might not be as full as you'd like, and it'll vary from pump to pump (obviously), but doing it that way has always pushed my fuel gauge to the full mark or beyond, with no overflow. If you had a problem, try a different pump next time. Some pumps malfunction to where they won't shut off properly - these will spill gas even on an automobile.
Tue May 09, 2006 8:51 pm

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Tue May 09, 2006 8:51 pm linkquote
Here's a thread that addresses this issue. Hope it helps.

http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=234

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Tue May 09, 2006 9:16 pm

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Tue May 09, 2006 9:16 pm linkquote
Thanks!
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Tue May 09, 2006 9:39 pm linkquote
Quick one before ye go....
1. Do you happen to have the GT on side stand when you fill up?
2. Is the pump nozzle one of those big mo' fo's that would fill a tank in like under 30 milli seconds?

The only dramas I have is when someone leaves a little gas in the nozzle and it spills out in your bucket compartment prior to filling up.

Other than that, I fill up really slowly and keep an eye on the read out and the tank - don't rush these things and make sure scooter is on centre stand.
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:05 pm linkquote
The "sticking the nozzle all the way in" method isn't 100% effective. I've found that there is some variation between different gas stations and nozzles. A couple, I've found, wouldn't even go in far enough to allow me to start pumping. I had to lift the nozzle guard thingy with my finger while pumping.
So I've had to find out which stations have nozzles that work the best.
bresee99 wrote:
Also, my tank guage reads that I only have 3/4 tank full even when I've just filled it up.
Yeah, mine does that too. I've learned to ignore it.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:12 pm linkquote
Hi Anastasia,

Michelle's LX does the same thing. Reads almost empty but only takes about 1-11/2 gallons to fill up. I don't think I have ever seen the fuel light come on even when the gauge shows almost empty. I'm starting to think this is common in the LX. My GT low fuel light comes on just below a quarter of a tank. Both of them are hard to fuel. I finally just decided to fuel it up really slowly and with the nozel out of the tank so I can see down into it and stop before it runs over. Hope this helps,

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Wed May 10, 2006 2:35 am linkquote
Yeah, I agree with this thread. The LX is a bit of a nightmare to refuel. I've had spilllages but have learned to be very gentle when filling the bike, and probably only put a few litres at a time.

The gauge for telling you when the scoot is empty is totally inaccurate, but I used to have Lancia (anyone else tried the total frustration of owning an Italian car?) and none of the instruments worked on that either. So my expectations are low!
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:20 am linkquote
DougandMichelle wrote:
Michelle's LX does the same thing. Reads almost empty but only takes about 1-11/2 gallons to fill up. I'm starting to think this is common in the LX.
It is. Most LXs seem to have this problem to one degree or another.
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:23 am linkquote
No matter how you fill up, just go really slow...................and think about what great MPG we're all getting.
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:25 am linkquote
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No matter how you fill up, just go really slow...................and think about what great MPG we're all getting.
...and how we could have gone another 10 miles with the fuel dribbling down the side of your cowl.
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:42 am linkquote
Sure its not a prob with the auto-off fuel pump? I had it once, fortunately I always remove the seat bin so it doesnt pour into my storage.

Tip is to keep your eye on it, don't trust the station pumps. When it nears the top look into the filler and take it SLOW.

Oh, and take the under-seat storage out when you fill, that way you only get fuel on the bike, not on your stuff.
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:52 am linkquote
Piaggio Replied
I sent an email to Vespa USA concerning the process of filling up my GTS. I thought maybe there was something I was missing.
I guess it's just the design of the very small fuel tank and was hoping that their reply would be something about our fuel nozzle size here in the states requiring Vespa to constrict the filler neck size on the tank.

The reply from Vespa was to turn the key on and watch the fuel gauge and go very slowly......it does work, but you still need to go VERY slowly and trying to tell how full the tank is while watching the gauge is like asking me to chew gum and walk at the same time.......I'm not a good multi-tasker!
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:44 am linkquote
My solution to free me up to top off the tank and not needing to wait for the low fuel lite is take the gas tank out and dremel off those f#ricken vanes that make the tank opening so f#ricken narrow. Then no problem fueling the tank with the ability to see the tank level. BMW's new 1200's MC's have the same thing (to limit people to unleaded) and all that is needed is removing a rubber flap at fuel tank opening, but BMW MC's I have not herd any spitting back at people.
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:51 am linkquote
I have the exact same problem with my LX150. When I first received it, the fuel guage read "full". Now, after about 300 Km, it only reads "1/2" when full. I made the mistake of trying to put the filler spout in all the way, and had fuel running out of the tank, down the sides (fortunately, I had read a posting warning to take out the pet carrier! Saved my work clothes from the gas ) Now, I keep a tank of gas at home, and fill up manually, using a flashlight. I am considering buying one of these home filling set-ups:


http://tinyurl.com/n3lpz

My big concern, is that I am not sure how long I can ride for when the fuel guage reads empty, or near empty. It would be nice to know how many Km I have left before I need to consider pushing the machine! I am sure that I could find this out through trial and error, but do not want to let the scooter run dry somewhere on the road.
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Wed May 10, 2006 8:45 am linkquote
As I said in the other thread, on the GT I have had no problems with overflow since adopting the head on, instead of side on approach to filling. If you hold the filler from the side of the bike, for example, with your knuckles poining towards the exhaust or the transmission, it will over fill. If you rotate the nozzzle 90 degrees so your knuckles are now over the storage compartment the cut out works and the fuel stops flowing before it overflows. I believe this is because the accesss to the tank is verticle and sloping backwards, wheres as the nozzles are designed for four wheeled vehicles where the access to the tank is from the side.
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Wed May 10, 2006 8:45 am linkquote
I too was thinking that after I get my Vespa (GTS soon but not sooon enough) I was going to buy a home fueling process. Buy 10 gallons at a time while the price is lower. and fuel in my garage as needed. such as harnadem suggested.
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Wed May 10, 2006 10:05 am linkquote
I'm not sure if this helps anyone, but I think I have a good system for my LX.

The first step I learned the hard way, but it's really helpful. Aim the nozzle away from you and the scooter and shake it. There's lots of gas stuck in the tube usually and that's what drips everywhere.

I insert the nozzle all the way, then...

I start at regular speed for about 2 seconds, then slow to the slowest continuous speed the pump will give (about half depression). When it gives its first automatic stop, I squeeze again and it stops after 1 second. Then, I slowly lift the nozzle, holding the cap. I stick the cap under the nozzle and hold it tightly against it to prevent drips, then hang it up again.

This always results in 3/4 on the guage, but it looks full inside. Either way, it's as full as I am willing to go to prevent spills. Considering the milage this thing gets, I still don't get gas for it very often.
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Wed May 10, 2006 10:33 am linkquote
Hi all

The home fueling option should be a major consideration for anybody who has the resources..ie garage/shed space etc. Logic follows. You pull up to the pump, select super unleaded for an extra 32 cents a gallon because thats what the factory recommends and proceed to pump 3 litres (3/4 gallon) of whatever the last guy at the pump used to fill his car. The cheap gas has to flow from the lines and the pump before you get the expensive stuff. If you are filling a car with 60 litres (15 gallons) the difference is negligable. But consider that you only put a gallon or two in at a time in a vespa up to 75% of that could be the cheap stuff.

At least if you fill your 5 gallon home fueler with the expensive stuff you know for sure what you are getting.

Just my .02. Oh, and I use the "Solid fuel light = 6.5 liters quickly and the last bit by sight and sound at a very slow fill rate" method. Wow, that doesnt exactly roll off the tounge.
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Wed May 10, 2006 10:52 am linkquote
Self disclosure here:

After trying to sound like I had this down I overfilled for the first time at lunch time today. I knew I'd taken it for a while past the light going on so I figured I had some more headspace past my 2 gallon standard and tried to put more in... not a lot but some overflow. To date I've never had a pump automatically shut off, no matter how I orient the nozzle or how deep I insert it. I even stopped it and pulled it out twice to see how much room I had!!! Oh well, I shouldn't have second guessed my system and just stuck with the 2 gallons. The extra .2 gallons I added will give me a whopping 12 more miles while the overflow stunk up my poor Milena...

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Wed May 10, 2006 12:48 pm linkquote
overflow
I overflowed a little while back but latelely have been shoving the nozzle all the way in. I basically put in a a gallon plus whatever rounds up to the nearest dollar. That way you will never overflow. Of course the tank won't be quite full. My commute is 20 miles per day total so I do not mind going to the gas station once every week to week and a half. On long trips I just stop a little more frequently.
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Thu May 11, 2006 5:16 pm linkquote
I did the same thing when I fueled up for the first time. So now if my gauge is just above the empty line I put 1.5-1.7 in. Now I never have that problem and it fills it to just below the fill line.
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Thu May 11, 2006 5:23 pm linkquote
On my ET4, I just listen. You can tell it's almost full by the sound. Similar to filling a water jug. It seems to work every time for me. On my BV500, the gas tank opening is on the floor between the seat and the glove box. It never overfills.

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Thu May 11, 2006 5:32 pm linkquote
coyoteran wrote:
The cheap gas has to flow from the lines and the pump before you get the expensive stuff. If you are filling a car with 60 litres (15 gallons) the difference is negligable. But consider that you only put a gallon or two in at a time in a vespa up to 75% of that could be the cheap stuff.

At least if you fill your 5 gallon home fueler with the expensive stuff you know for sure what you are getting.
That is an excellent point that makes complete sense and I have to admit I've never thought about that before. Considering in the states most cars use regular, I'd be very curious to know exactly what the octane rating of the gas really is.

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Thu May 11, 2006 9:16 pm linkquote
chas1969 wrote:
My solution to free me up to top off the tank and not needing to wait for the low fuel lite is take the gas tank out and dremel off those f#ricken vanes that make the tank opening so f#ricken narrow. Then no problem fueling the tank with the ability to see the tank level. BMW's new 1200's MC's have the same thing (to limit people to unleaded) and all that is needed is removing a rubber flap at fuel tank opening, but BMW MC's I have not herd any spitting back at people.
Will this work?
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Fri May 12, 2006 2:48 am linkquote
Turkman wrote:
chas1969 wrote:
My solution to free me up to top off the tank and not needing to wait for the low fuel lite is take the gas tank out and dremel off those f#ricken vanes that make the tank opening so f#ricken narrow. Then no problem fueling the tank with the ability to see the tank level. BMW's new 1200's MC's have the same thing (to limit people to unleaded) and all that is needed is removing a rubber flap at fuel tank opening, but BMW MC's I have not herd any spitting back at people.
Will this work?
My dealer told me he had done this, and it does work. I think he just used a pair of pliers and a knife. Pliers to hold the thing, knife to cut? Not real sure, i know he did it.

Since I started using the steady low fuel light metod no overfills for me. If you wait until solid light, ride for a while longer, then put in as close to 2.0 as you can. Works for me, Beale.
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Fri May 12, 2006 11:35 am linkquote
Yes, it will work.

All motorcycles and all my old scooters I could see the fuel level becuase the opening was so big. Then WTF with piaggio and some motorcycle manufactures putting small opening tanks that fill in 2 sec's and burp-up fuel like an infant.

So opening-up the "hole" with discarding the vanes or little protusions with a dremel or knife or blade will be the best so one can see the fuel level.

I think I will try the tin snips or single side razor. Well anyone with sucess please write.

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Fri May 12, 2006 11:38 am linkquote
Giuliano wrote:
As I said in the other thread, on the GT I have had no problems with overflow since adopting the head on, instead of side on approach to filling. If you hold the filler from the side of the bike, for example, with your knuckles poining towards the exhaust or the transmission, it will over fill. If you rotate the nozzzle 90 degrees so your knuckles are now over the storage compartment the cut out works and the fuel stops flowing before it overflows. I believe this is because the accesss to the tank is verticle and sloping backwards, wheres as the nozzles are designed for four wheeled vehicles where the access to the tank is from the side.
I tried this today,and can certify it works 100%...
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Fri May 12, 2006 12:24 pm linkquote
here is what seems to work for me:

I leave the key in the "ON" position, but leave the kill switch activated. Then I remove the under-seat bucket thingy. THEN I drain whatever residue left-over fuel may be in the nozzle from the previous user's fill-up BEFORE inserting into the filler neck on the GT(avoiding drips all over the GT's bodywork or the under-the-seat-compartment).

Then I watch the fuel gauge as I fill up: It starts slow, then wooshes upwards (the fuel needle) as it fills. Once at 3/4's full, I stop, and then coax fuel out until I see it at the BOTTOM of the filler neck. By the way, I insert the nozzle ALL THE WAY into the tank - so far, it has worked a treat.

Good Luck.

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Fri May 12, 2006 12:54 pm linkquote
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THEN I drain whatever residue left-over fuel may be in the nozzle from the previous user's fill-up BEFORE inserting into the filler neck on the GT(avoiding drips all over the GT's bodywork or the under-the-seat-compartment).
How/where do you drain out the left over fuel?
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Tue May 16, 2006 8:22 pm linkquote
Giuliano wrote:
As I said in the other thread, on the GT I have had no problems with overflow since adopting the head on, instead of side on approach to filling. If you hold the filler from the side of the bike, for example, with your knuckles poining towards the exhaust or the transmission, it will over fill. If you rotate the nozzzle 90 degrees so your knuckles are now over the storage compartment the cut out works and the fuel stops flowing before it overflows. I believe this is because the accesss to the tank is verticle and sloping backwards, wheres as the nozzles are designed for four wheeled vehicles where the access to the tank is from the side.
I tried this tonight at a Git-n-Go gas station. It worked perfectly. I still filled it up slowly but for the first time ever, it did not burp it back out of the hole.
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Joined: 07 Nov 2005
Posts: 54
Location: Los Angeles, CA
 
Enthusiast
2005 Steel Grey GT200L
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
Posts: 54
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Thu May 18, 2006 12:45 am linkquote
Fueling up
Hi Anastasia,

I have a GT and I often run into a bit of the spillover myself. It's not too much gas spillage, but it is annoying. Especially if it gets into the storage compartment. What I do now is, I take the underseat storage out and place it on the ground, I fill up, and if there is any overflow it doesn't get on anything. Funny enough, I have yet to experience any spillover now. I bet if I decide to leave my storage compartment in, there will be spillage. Just Murphy's Law I guess. For now, I just stick the nozzle in all the way and wait for the auto stop. Anyway, ride safe.

Regards,

FireLeo
2005 GT 200
Thu May 18, 2006 6:30 am

Molto Verboso
2005 Vespa GT 200
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 1007
Location: Near Tyler, Texas
 
Molto Verboso
2005 Vespa GT 200
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 1007
Location: Near Tyler, Texas
Thu May 18, 2006 6:30 am linkquote
I, too, remove the underseat storage container while fueling my GT, sitting it crossways near the seat hinge to keep the seat from falling down. Also, I never gas up until I've had a steady yellow reserve light for a few minutes. Then I pump gas fast at first, until the fuel pump shows about 1.5 gallons, then I ease off and slowly fill it to 2.0 gallons, and never have back splash or overflow, and my tank is full.
Thu May 18, 2006 7:34 am

Member
Vespa LX150
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Posts: 28
Location: San Francisco
 
Member
Vespa LX150
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Posts: 28
Location: San Francisco
Thu May 18, 2006 7:34 am linkquote
LX gas
This thread makes me feel so much better. I'm riding a cool scooter, wearing the cool jacket, and often as not I look like a dufus at the gas station trying to clean up the mess when I fill up...

jeff
Thu May 18, 2006 7:40 am

Molto Verboso
2005 Vespa GT 200
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 1007
Location: Near Tyler, Texas
 
Molto Verboso
2005 Vespa GT 200
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Posts: 1007
Location: Near Tyler, Texas
Thu May 18, 2006 7:40 am linkquote
Jeff, maybe you feel like a dufus when you spill gas, but what about those cage drivers that are running around with their gas filler lid open, and God knows whether or not their gas cap is still at the service station. I would rather be a cool dufus on a Vespa, wouldn't you?
Thu May 18, 2006 8:09 am

Hooked
2005 GT200-Vintage Green, 2004 BMW R1150RT-Biarritz Blue, 9' 4wt G Loomis
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 465
Location: St Louis MO
 
Hooked
2005 GT200-Vintage Green, 2004 BMW R1150RT-Biarritz Blue, 9' 4wt G Loomis
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 465
Location: St Louis MO
Thu May 18, 2006 8:09 am linkquote
On my GT, After I get a solid Low Fuel Light, I put in 2.000 gal. It's only 2 gal so I squeeze it in my hand and watch the numbers on the pump. Never had a problem with overflow...yet. I suppose if you wanted to put a little more than 2 gal in, you could always shake the scooter and get the gas to settle so you could add some more. If do you overfill, just toss a match and burn off the excess.
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