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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:53:24 +0000 quote
Does anyone ride the Interstates on thier GT200?
I am thinking of buying the GTS250.
For 300 miles and up is a GT200 comfortable? Is it too scarry to ride on Highways. I want to go from az to denver next year. Would another bike be better?

Any suggestions

Thanks
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:21:07 +0000 quote
this past weekend i rode from carlsbad to san bernadino back to carlsbad. about an hour and 30 minutes each way.

my biggest concern was handling some of the mountains along the I-15. the gt200 got up to speed of traffic 75ish on the flats, but on the grades would dip to about 65 and i would quickly return to the slow lane as cars sped by.

now downhill was another story...at times the needle would be reading beyond the 80 mark to about where 90 should be on the dial at times.

the engine seemed to pull well at sustained speeds. however, you are definately at a disadvantage at those high speeds as you are pretty much topped out. if your locality sees more resonable freeway/highway/interstate speeds i think the gt200 may have some reserve for passing/manuvering but in southern california, freeways routinely see 75-85 as normal cruising speed as many of the freeways are posted 70 mph speedlimit... similiar to many interstate routes.

bottomline...topping out at speed of traffic, knowing that you don't have more requires serious consideration. i did not like the feeling of dropping to 65 going uphill as cars were approaching me from behind at speeds in excess of 85 mph.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:55:15 +0000 quote
How about Handling
I am thinking about the new gts250 which should go 85 which will be nice,but seems scary going that fast on a scoot. My lt150 has big wheels and handles great but 60 insn't too scary. Most people cruise 85 on I-40. I think 75 is pushing it on a scoot but, if the handling is ok I could go that fast on the gt250. I think they could go around me easily on a dual lane. I am not sure if it is safe though.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:31:07 +0000 quote
I think it mainly depends on the kind of traffic you're likely to encounter.

The GT200 comfortably maintains a speedo reading of 75mph on level ground, but as others have noted there will not be much left, and on an incline (or perhaps in high altitudes) will take a performance hit.

I have taken it on the highway, but generally only on the parkways (i.e. no trucks). Around here the traffic density usually doesn't allow for big empty straightaways for people to go much faster than 75 in the left lanes, and in the slow lane the speed is generally around 50mph. So I feel like I can ride quite safely in the right two lanes, as long as I pay attention to when the speeders and weavers will feel obliged to cut over to get around the slowpokes doing 50 in the left lane.

I try to avoid riding on the highways at night though. Weighed against the possibility of hitting a lump of road or pothole hidden by darkness going at 70mph on 12" wheels with traffic roaring around me, and it is not worth the additional 15 minutes I'd save over taking the local streets.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:39:49 +0000 quote
Re: How about Handling
scootergal wrote:
I am thinking about the new gts250 which should go 85 which will be nice,but seems scary going that fast on a scoot. My lt150 has big wheels and handles great but 60 insn't too scary. Most people cruise 85 on I-40. I think 75 is pushing it on a scoot but, if the handling is ok I could go that fast on the gt250. I think they could go around me easily on a dual lane. I am not sure if it is safe though.
Hi scootergal,

I've ridden quite a bit of I-40 east of Albuquerque on a GT200 and I'm going to be really honest with you. Please bear in mind that I *love* my GT, but I gotta tell you, the GT200 (and the GTS250) are the wrong vehicles for that road. I wouldn't recommend it on anything less than a 400cc scooter with wheels 13 inches or larger, such as the Suzuki Burgman 400, the Yamaha Majesty 400, the Honda Sliver Wing 650, or,yes, the Piaggio X-9. If you are a bit on the petite side, try the Yamaha. It's a wonderful machine which seems to fit smaller riders well. I know this is the Modern Vespa forum, but I've been there, done I-40 out west and you just need more horsepower. Larger wheels won't hurt, either, especially if you run over some of the road rubbish for which I-40 is justifiably famous.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:50:39 +0000 quote
I think you need to consider the nature of the Interstate you plan to travel. I live just outside Washington, DC and have had the thrill/fear of driving my GT on the infamous beltway at 75 mph in heavy traffic and at rush hour in stop and go conditions.

Basically the former is true insanity. I don't think the GT was built to go toe to toe with 18-wheelers at top speed in heavy traffic. Yeah it can handle the speed and the handling is acceptable, but the margin of error is reduced to zero. You fall off the thing and you will be run over regardless of whose fault it is. Now at rush hour it's no problem since top speed is about 35mph.

So my advice is to weigh the risks/rewards. If you have generally light traffic which will afford you the ability to stay away from most of the other vehicles then I say go for it. Otherwise stick to the side streets.

One final thought is to remind you to make sure you are wearing some highly visible clothing. Beings seen is massively important when your letting it rip on the highway.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:21:34 +0000 quote
Here in Oregon the posted speed limit in most places is 55, with 65 in certain locations.
Ive driven the GT on 5 hour trips one way on these roads; main highways and interstates and it keeps up fine cruising at 65 with a little bit more pull just in case.
That said, i would be nervous on california interstates where people travel at least 70-75. The GT only maintains 75 under strait roads and no crosswinds. Anything less and youll be loosing speed.

So unless your matt with an 80mph cruising GT, for the most part, plan to take secondary highways in stataes like california.

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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:02:54 +0000 quote
thanks for the great advice.
I am not sure now about my choice. Maybe I need a bigger scoot and use my lt150 around my small town. 35-40 mph is the speed limit. 30,000 people. I am really enjoying going on longer trips on route 66 but, you need to get on I-40 in several areas. Great advice, thanks.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:44:51 +0000 quote
Re: How about Handling
jrsjr wrote:
...I've ridden quite a bit of I-40 east of Albuquerque on a GT200 and I'm going to be really honest with you. Please bear in mind that I *love* my GT, but I gotta tell you, the GT200 (and the GTS250) are the wrong vehicles for that road...
Now there's an honest, sensible, piece of advice. Be realistic. These scooters have small displacement, low horsepower, single cylinder engines and very small wheels. Give it some consideration...

BTW, I could have quoted any one of many fine posts. What's really important here is to recognize the underlying theme.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:16:22 +0000 quote
Re: thanks for the great advice.
scootergal wrote:
I am not sure now about my choice. Maybe I need a bigger scoot and use my lt150 around my small town. 35-40 mph is the speed limit. 30,000 people. I am really enjoying going on longer trips on route 66 but, you need to get on I-40 in several areas. Great advice, thanks.
I didn't mean to muddle up your decision process. It just so happened that I have experience doing exactly what you were suggesting. If you already own an lt150, and you like it and can afford to keep it and still purchase another machine for longer trips then I would suggest that. Running a 200/250 class machine cross country is an excellent adventure (read the next paragraph, you'll see what I mean), but it's not very practical. For one thing, you arrive at your destination all pumped with adrenaline, (which is cool), but 30 minutes after you dismount, exhaustion will suddenly overtake you.

And, yeah, riding the old Route 66 is great fun. We generally followed it on Cannonball 2004, but you're right about the need to get on I-40 in some places. Also, there were fairly long sections of Route 66 which hadn't been maintined in a long time and were so washboarded that they weren't much fun to ride. Bigger wheels helped there, I still felt like "James Bond's Martini" afterwards (shaken, not stirred).

Is there a Yamaha dealer in your area? Try sitting on the Majesty and see if the rider ergonomics suit you. If it's a fit, that's a lovely machine.
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Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:54:54 +0000 quote
I agree with others here. I love my GT for speeds up to about 60. On flat terrain and calm conditions 65-70 is o.k. however, we don't have much of either of those around here.

I had a chance a few weekends ago to ride with my brother on the highway. He recently bought a new Silverwing. We exchanged scooters for about 25 miles. There was no question in either of our minds that the SWing provided more stablily and power at speeds. I think 75 to 80 on the maxi would be comfortable for me. That said, I had an opportunity to ride home(I was about 50 miles from home) on a well maintained highway that was flat being along a river bottom and shielded by bluffs. Besides being beautiful, I fell in love with my GT all over again, and enjoyed a cruise 60-68 mph with virtually no other traffic. So I plan to save and try to keep my GT and get a maxi for longer rides and cruises. The GT is a marvelous machine around town.
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Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:46:33 +0000 quote
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I use my GT on a daily basis for the 13 mile (one-way) commute to work. Mostly on a 4 lane (both sides) freeway which usually is completely packed (morning & evening). Even if little traffic, speed limit is 60 and people go 65 sometimes 70...so that is still very comfortable with the GT. On the way home there is a carpool lane which we can use up here in WA. Gosh...it saves me SO MUCH time!

That said, it works great for me on that route, I wouldn't cruise for hours on an interstate though...I don't think that's what the GT is made for. It's no problem to go on I-5 within town, but I definitely wouldn't enjoy going longer distance with the semis passing left and right.

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Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:26:16 +0000 quote
I took my GT on an 1100 mile 3-day trip in September down I-5 from Northern to Southern Cal, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Each rider has his/her own level of comfort on these scooters, and I don't mind the semi's and fast cars. I find it challening.

The GT can do it... can you?
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Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:38:49 +0000 quote
glad to hear that Mesmer.
I really love the felling of being on a scooter. I think the big maxi scooters seem and look more like motorcycles to me. I love the look of the GT. Most of my long trips will mostly be up to 300 miles one way. But I want to take a couple of long ones like to Denver.
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Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:34:49 +0000 quote
It's not just the speeds you have to think about. It's the road condition (surface, debris, etc.), the volume/mix of traffic, the times of day/week and the local driver culture.

In the Toronto area we have the QEW with speeds of 100-130 kph. I would consider taking that highway at off-hours, but not in rush hour or heavy weekend traffic.

We also have the 400-series highways (401, 407, 400, 404) - you couldn't force me out on one of those at gun point! It's a death-defying act to head out there in my van: semis, panel vans, SUVs galore; drivers using speeds ranging from 90-160 kph (sometimes the same driver!); unpredictable road surface changes (constant overnight construction); common following distances of less than 4 car lengths (less that 2 at rush hour) even at 100+ kph; high cellphone use; no signlaing of lane changes; etc. etc.
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Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:38:11 +0000 quote
You will get washed about by horrendous turbulence from trucks when they overtake. Its not a nice feeling on a relatively lightweight scooter combined with being a lightweight lady!

Its bad enough here in the UK, where articulated lorries are legally bound to 56mph maximum.
But some of your US rigs are enormous and are lightening fast...

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Mon, 21 Nov 2005 02:59:31 +0000 quote
Mesmer wrote:
I took my GT on an 1100 mile 3-day trip in September down I-5 from Northern to Southern Cal, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Each rider has his/her own level of comfort on these scooters, and I don't mind the semi's and fast cars. I find it challening.

The GT can do it... can you?
mesmer, you may have superb riding skills and experience, but the limitations of the GT are it's limitations. your expertise is what kept you safe. i feel your statement is a bit irresponsible in overportraying the GT.

i suggest that to the vast majority of enthusiasts and especially novices, in terms of engineering and endurance, the GT can do it. on the contrary...in regards to safety, you are severely pushing the GT to it's limits. factor in variables such as being on unfamiliar terrain, rider fatigue, low horsepower at topped out speeds, and the danger increases exponentially. of course, the longer the trip, the greater the odds of a mishap just on the basis of sheer probability.

a safer alternative would be selecting secondary highways if and when available where all the variables decrease to the GTs favor.

remember, in terms of; topspeed, horsepower, visible profile, gross weight, and comfort (mental/physical fatigue), you are competing against; individuals in trucks, suvs, passenger cars, and even on other motorcycles.

in terms of motorcycles...there are 1200cc 200mph bikes such as the bmw k1200r which are deceptively fast and impress other motorists in attributing higher speeds and acceleration to you as well. perhaps skewing their judgment in giving you less time to make that passing manuever or to make it up that grade.

finally, the ugly issue of road rage...quite simply this may be the most unpredictable and uncontrollable of factors that we face out there. every other animal on the freeway jungle can run us down and have us for lunch. if you accidently piss of a carfull of gangbangers in the middle of nowhere...god help you.

is it really based on the comfort level of each rider? to think so is to throw caution to the wind and ignore reality.

with all due respect, i felt compelled to rebutt your post.
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Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:19:03 +0000 quote
GT on the highway
I've taken my GT on the highway for just a few miles once. Every now and then I take it on and get off at the next exit with very little traffic just to see how fast I can get her up to. I had 82 mph (speedo indicated) on a slight incline actually with more throttle to spare. But then I had to slow down and exit. That's all fun and good but what I realized is this.
As stable as the GT felt, and as exilarating the speed, albeit only a mile, I felt much safer on the main roads. What if I had to swerve? What if I had to brake suddenly? How about this one.. A big tire or giant piece of one on the highway in your lane. Your'e driving 75+ mph and the car in front of you drives right over it and you dont see it untill its right in your path. I dont know, but whether I take evasive action to avoid it or I hit it; I'm screwed. How does that feel on 12 inch wheels? I stay on the city streets cruising between 35 and 60 mph in Los Angles and I can enjoy the rush from that. By the way, I love my GT200! Awesome scoot!
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Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:41:37 +0000 quote
vespaGT wrote:
Mesmer wrote:
I took my GT on an 1100 mile 3-day trip in September down I-5 from Northern to Southern Cal, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

Each rider has his/her own level of comfort on these scooters, and I don't mind the semi's and fast cars. I find it challening.

The GT can do it... can you?
mesmer, you may have superb riding skills and experience, but the limitations of the GT are it's limitations. your expertise is what kept you safe. i feel your statement is a bit irresponsible in overportraying the GT.

i suggest that to the vast majority of enthusiasts and especially novices, in terms of engineering and endurance, the GT can do it. on the contrary...in regards to safety, you are severely pushing the GT to it's limits. factor in variables such as being on unfamiliar terrain, rider fatigue, low horsepower at topped out speeds, and the danger increases exponentially. of course, the longer the trip, the greater the odds of a mishap just on the basis of sheer probability.

a safer alternative would be selecting secondary highways if and when available where all the variables decrease to the GTs favor.

remember, in terms of; topspeed, horsepower, visible profile, gross weight, and comfort (mental/physical fatigue), you are competing against; individuals in trucks, suvs, passenger cars, and even on other motorcycles.

in terms of motorcycles...there are 1200cc 200mph bikes such as the bmw k1200r which are deceptively fast and impress other motorists in attributing higher speeds and acceleration to you as well. perhaps skewing their judgment in giving you less time to make that passing manuever or to make it up that grade.

finally, the ugly issue of road rage...quite simply this may be the most unpredictable and uncontrollable of factors that we face out there. every other animal on the freeway jungle can run us down and have us for lunch. if you accidently piss of a carfull of gangbangers in the middle of nowhere...god help you.

is it really based on the comfort level of each rider? to think so is to throw caution to the wind and ignore reality.

with all due respect, i felt compelled to rebutt your post.
I wouldn't say I have superb riding skills, but I do take riding safely very seriously. Whenever I ride, I wear my full face mask, armored jacket and armored gloves. On longer rides I wear armored knee pads and boots.

On my ride down to SoCal, I left at 4am so as to miss most of the traffic on I-5 and I wore my yellow reflective safety jacket to be seen.

I NEVER felt like I needed more power or speed out of the GT, as I new I always had some in reserve. Even going up over the grapevine the GT had the power to pass most (not all) passenger cars.

My statement about comfort level seems pretty clear. If someone feels unsafe on the freeway or at freeway speeds on the GT then they won't ride on the freeway, nuff said...

I was just giving my account that the GT is a mechanically reliable and capable machine that can handle freeway speeds.

NapaCoach has also ridden to LA from Norcal on I-5 (but he probably did it in shorts and sandals). But I wouldn't expect a Newb to buy a GT and use it to commute on the freeway the first day they owned it.

There are TOO MANY riders that buy scooters and seem to think they don't need to work continually on improving their riding skills. Scooters are not toys and should not be treated as such. The minute you take your scoot (or any motorcycle) out onto public roads you are taking serious risks. The only way to reduce those risks to to continually work on being a better rider.

I think alot of people assume that because they've driven a car safely for a number of years, they will have no problem riding a scooter. Well, all of us know that driving a car and riding any scooter/motorcycle are completely different. They take entirely different skill sets.

Since I don't know the experience level of the person that originally posted the question of riding on the freeway, I can't say whether or not it would be a goot bike for them. But if that rider doesn't have prior experience with any motorcycle or scooter at higher speeds, it won't matter whether they're on an R1, road king, KTM super motard, honda rebel or a GT, because their lack of experience will most likely get them hurt.

I stand by my statement that the GT can handle highway speeds with a capable rider.
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