Modern Vespa

Anyone know where I might be able to procure a new stator for my Rally 200? The stator was re-wired for a 12V conversion and is now f**ked because of a mishap in the garage.

It could probably be rebuilt as well, and I have mechanical know-how and what not, but I would have NO CLUE how to re-wire this bastard. Let's hear some suggestions...

Peace.

nothing? I must say, it's the first time I posted any question about a Rally that wasn't immediately answered by Eric, Jimh, Greasy, or a host of other MV'ers...

anyway, maybe after the bump we'll see some answers...

thanks

From what i have seen before of the pics, you have a rewired femsatronic system. 6 volt originally, now wired as 12 volt. If your mishap isnt too bad, your best bet may be to look for replacement coils and a pickup. It could be a heck of a task to find another femsa stator.
I'm not sure about using a 12 volt stator (like in a P model) due to the rally crankshaft.

give a shout. if it's fixable, i've got a guy...

best,
-greasy

Ryetronics in Chicago used to rewire stators as well. Not aware if he still does.

How bad is it messed up?

The damage is quite bad on the stator - my wife ran over it (along with the flywheel, which didn't undergo as much damage). Some of the coils are unwound, the pickup is banged up, part of the plate itself if chipped, and the wires were all wired incorrectly anyway, so it's probably a good thing that I'm re-doing all the electric.

The weirdest part of this whole debacle is that I still have no clue why my electric took a shit on me. I just noticed that a wire came loose in the headset (behind the headlight), but I don't know if that would cause total electrical failure. Still, I couldn't (and can't) figure out why it wasn't starting.

I replaced the condenser - nothing...

Then, I converted to Ducati and rewired - nothing...

I checked all the wires after I exhausted my limited troubleshooting knowledge and noticed the loose wire. The color of the wire is meaningless because the fucker who did the 12V conversion paid no attention to the colors of the wires. So, it's been two months and I've had no running scooter. I WILL get it running again, but my money is running short at present. I was thinking of selling drugs to kids to supplement my income...but that's another story.

Anyway, back on track - I started tearing everything down on the bike, and want to replace ALL the electric when I get it back together. I figure if I get a re-wired stator, perhaps a new flywheel (it might not be needed), new wiring throughout, new Ducati CDI, and HT lead, then it MUST work when put back together. Right now, I'm to the point where I'm gonna drop the engine and replace the seals (esp. the clutch side seal) just in case it's needed. I would ride through the winter, but it's not looking feasible at this point.

Keep in mind I knew virtually NOTHING about Rally's before buying it, so my knowledge is completely limited. I'm still convinced that if someone who knew vintage Vespas intimately would look at the scoot, they would determine the problem immediately. My untrained eye has to be missing something. However, in the meantime, I will send it away to have it worked on. Greasy, how would I get the stator to your guy? Any idea of cost?

Thanks a ton for the advice.
Jason

if you plan to split the case anyway, to replace the seals... i might suggest getting a Vespa P crank, flywheel etc. and go for a proper 12 volt conversion. if nothing else, it will be much easier to find replacement parts.

http://www.scooterhelp.com/motors/VSE1M.rally200e.femsa.html

I really feel your pain, I've stumbled blindly through my electrical all too many times. Don't give up though, the Rally 200 is simply the best Vespa ever made and when you get it running (and you will), you'll have no regrets.

great idea! I'll have to price out all the parts and see what I'm lookin' at. is it really as easy as Scooterhelp describes? does the P200 crank fit seamlessly into the Rally engine? no extra boring?

thanks,
Jason

the crank will fit right in there, you'll want, the old flywheel will no longer fit though, you'll need P200 parts

sweet - I'm ordering the electrical upgrade kit that Scooterworks sells (scooterwest doesn't seem to have it) and I'm looking for a crank right now as well. Should I go new or used? Any other advice before taking on this project?

I need some advice from all you vintage guys. After pricing out various parts to fix my scooter, I perceive two possibilities:

1. send away stator to be rewired, find new or used flywheel and replace, and replace all of the electrical chassis and connections

OR

2. buy a P crank (new or used), buy a P stator (wired for 12V), a P flywheel, and re-do the wiring.

If you were in the position where one of these fixes needed to be done, which would you choose. The price comparison is marginal and I want it done right. So, I'm asking for advice. With either fix, I will be the one fixing it and I have limited knowledge of the intimate workings of a Vespa engine, so what do you think? Is it do-able?

Thanks in advance,
Jason

I feel that keeping the electrical system Femsatronic is the way to go, What happened to the flywheel that you need to replace it? Thats not going to be easy to find as its specific to femsatronic rallys. The less you have to rebuild the better in my opinion, I'm no Vespa mechanic, everything I've learned has been out of necessity.

Replacing everything with P200 parts, while a good idea in theory, will involve more actual engine work (pulling clutch, splitting cases, etc) than might be warranted here. But, on the plus side, P parts (flywheel, stator, cdi, etc) are much easier to get and cheaper to buy. Long term its something to think about.

Is the damage to the stator repairable? What seems to be wrong with the flywheel?

Me, I would go with the P upgrade...
It's easy and parts for P's (stators,flywheels, CDI's) are stocked by every vintage shop/parts store..BUT...you'll need..
-P crank
-new fly side berring..cant remember the part #
-P stator
-P flywheel
-CDI
AND you'll have to dremmel out the inside diameter of the stator a little to fit over the rally casing.
..................
that being said,
I have aquired a hoard of parts over the last 27 years, and happen to have a rally femsa stator (femsa CDI was given away) and flywheel.
I dont sell parts or scooters, I only trade..BUT if you can't come up with anything else...I could figure out its value and sell it to you. Shipping from British Columbia might cost you a bit.

post on the BBS spam board, one of your fellow Americans might need some cash about now and have a femsa stator sitting around

good luck,
sean

bear in mind also, that if you choose to replace with P parts, you will need new gaskets, and you may need specialized tools, tools which, in the long run, you probably would buy anyway. do lots of research, take a lot of pictures and make notes as to what went where. if there is a vespa shop nearby, get to know the mechanics and see what advice they can give you as well.

OH...if I do end up selling you the stator and flywheel,...boxed up, they look like a land mine or a nasty IED.
If x-rayed over the border, you might have your Homeland security delivering it to your door.
Of corse, I would label the box "JASON- Comander, American Provisional Government of the Forthcoming Apocalypse...handle with extreme care!

sean s

very nice! as long as they don't find the marijuana grow room in my basement, it's all good. I could also manage a narrow escape on my sweet scoot . . . oh wait, nevermind . . .

I'm still pricing out my options and what not. It seems quite an undertaking to convert everything to P parts, so I'm still pondering it over. My wife and I are also in the beginning stages of a move to Cincinnati, so we're trying to keep money tight right now. She wants me to wait until we move there to fix the scooter, but I have qualms with that line of reasoning. Anyway, I will keep you guys posted.

Jason