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ritchj wrote:
Perhaps one or two of you didn't know this, but two wheel motorcycles, ones with gears, that you have to shift? Yeah, those; They have a brake pedal.

On the right.

For your foot (the whole pedal thing - ped=foot)

For the rear brake.
Just a point of fact: a large percentage of Vespistas came here through motorcycles. Many of those that didn't came from Shifties--older scoots with manual gearboxes and, gasp, a brake pedal for the rear.
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The Spyder isn't for everyone, especially those internet experts on high horses called Vespas. Which of course are flawless, well designed, and perfect for everyone.
Vespas are not perfect. They are quirky, fun and practical vehicles. They cannot handle unpaved or bad roads well. The high-speed handling is, um, interesting. The transmission relies too heavily on consumables and a lot of maintenance.

All this doesn't make the Can-Am anything but a joke vehicle, nothing about it makes sense except for visual impact.

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I love how many cones are knocked over in the marketing pics. I would love to see someone take the dmv test with this.
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Paul G. wrote:
Just a point of fact: a large percentage of Vespistas came here through motorcycles. Many of those that didn't came from Shifties--older scoots with manual gearboxes and, gasp, a brake pedal for the rear.
I'd actually argue that the above statement is not true.

There are tons of threads about who's come from motorcycles to scooters with very few replies. We have a shit ton of members that greatly outnumber the replies. Additionally, most threads that get started about motorcycling are from people who have scooters who are now interested in a motorcycle. I'd also note that it's actually a fairly select # of individuals who have both modern and vintage bikes. From what I can tell (anecdotally), most of those people started on moderns and came to vintage bikes, rather than the other way around.

Most fo the members on this forum are new to 2-wheeling, and most likely scooting represents the first stab into that.

I think a quick scan of the first 5 pages of topics would confirm that
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Just a point of fact: a large percentage of Vespistas came here through motorcycles.
I seriously doubt that more than 30% of Modern Vespa owners were currently street licensed motorcycle riders before buying their precious little Vespa- if they had, would there be so many 'How many feet do you put down,' 'How hard is MSF class,' and 'I fell over in some gravel with my new bike,' threads here.
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Many of those that didn't came from Shifties--older scoots with manual gearboxes and, gasp, a brake pedal for the rear.
You're right there are a huge number of Vintage owners from the BBS drooling over the twist and go bikes once they sell their shifty; but how do you explain this post from this thread?
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Worst thing of those Can-Am Spyders: the stupid break pedal. They tossed the brake lever (like all other motorcycles) and went with a pedal instead. Morons. Not only does it throw the rest of us off: they could have easily capitalized on the population of disabled former bikers that may have leg injuries by keeping the brake lever - they'd be able to ride again as the spyder will stay upright at a stop.
Sounds like a long time MC rider to me.
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All this doesn't make the Can-Am anything but a joke vehicle, nothing about it makes sense except for visual impact.
Other joke vehicles? Hummer/Classic Land Rover/Smart Car/Lamborghini/Veryon - nothing about them makes sense: all vehicles have visual impact designed in - either for anonymity or 'please stare at me' reasons.

The Spyder isn't for everyone, neither is a Vespa, or anything else on the planet other than maybe air or water.
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Paul G. wrote:
Just a point of fact: a large percentage of Vespistas came here through motorcycles. Many of those that didn't came from Shifties--older scoots with manual gearboxes and, gasp, a brake pedal for the rear.
I'd actually argue that the above statement is not true.

There are tons of threads about who's come from motorcycles to scooters with very few replies. We have a shit ton of members that greatly outnumber the replies. Additionally, most threads that get started about motorcycling are from people who have scooters who are now interested in a motorcycle. I'd also note that it's actually a fairly select # of individuals who have both modern and vintage bikes. From what I can tell (anecdotally), most of those people started on moderns and came to vintage bikes, rather than the other way around.

Most fo the members on this forum are new to 2-wheeling, and most likely scooting represents the first stab into that.

I think a quick scan of the first 5 pages of topics would confirm that
You know, if you take a dog to the park, he won't notice the thousand people around, but will react to the one other dog. That may be me--old cycle dog noticing and reacting to all the others. Can't back up my claim statistically, so I concede I may be wrong.

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I love how many cones are knocked over in the marketing pics. I would love to see someone take the dmv test with this.
I could see how someone could make that mistake--but those cones are set that way in track events to indicate to drivers what side they should be running on. I suspect that's what you're seeing here.
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I love how many cones are knocked over in the marketing pics. I would love to see someone take the dmv test with this.
I could see how someone could make that mistake--but those cones are set that way in track events to indicate to drivers what side they should be running on. I suspect that's what you're seeing here.
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just a fyi to all of you out here in vespa land.....

the can am spyder is not for everyone you all are right...

But i own one and do believe every time i have rode my local highway 17 freeway or highway 9 i am faster and safer than on my street bikes an or vespa. The tire does raise in corners if you are unaware of body weight placements and positioning over the front end. I have on many occasions gotten props from locals that were impressed with its abilities with my very large body on it... You can drive it faster than many vehicles on the road. That being said unless you have ridden one you really are just putting a bunch a bs on this forum about it and your opinion really doesn't matter to those of us that like unique cutting edge toys.


I have parted traffic much like how the s2000 cars can.


This is the introduction of it to our market and a lot have sold already much better than any other oem's new project.

Its patents will be around for the next 15 to 20 years and much like the Kawasaki stand up skis compared to sit downs arguments.


Now its price is pricey .... yes but I don't think it matters to those who can afford toys. I own 2 spyders his and hers.

As for a 1200 gs ..... ha ha try 25k for a fully loaded pos and it will break sooner than the spyder giving its final drive failure rates.

Harley Turdly riders just love the canajian made spydey for sum reason, must be the belt drive... lol

Our beloved modern vespas are a tad under 8K and most of our important parts aren't even Italian. Asian made rims and electronics????? 8K????? Just a name.....yes

My dl1000 was the best bike i've ever owned and i've had 10 new bikes in the last 15 years. And its from asia... But i love it.

Go test drive one and try to take a freeway clover on ramp leaning into the turn over the front tire and understand that you can at over double the speed limit without getting any SR's. Just pure excitement.

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That being said unless you have ridden one you really are just putting a bunch a bs on this forum about it and your opinion really doesn't matter to those of us that like unique cutting edge toys.T
I had one when I was four. It rocked and I still miss it.
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Yesterday I saw one of these on the motorway...

It's very trange to see them "carve" through the corners in your rear view mirror...

http://www.carver-worldwide.com/Home/Index.asp?nc=1
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Forget all the above and hold out for an Ace Cycle-car, heir apparent to the venerable "Mog." Coming soon to a lottery winner near you!
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Now THAT'S a three wheeler!!!!
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The tire does raise in corners if you are unaware of body weight placements and positioning over the front end.
Perhaps a limited slip differential might come in handy here.
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bigt wrote:
The tire does raise in corners if you are unaware of body weight placements and positioning over the front end.
Perhaps a limited slip differential might come in handy here.
It only has one drive wheel if I am not mistaken.
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Sounds like a long time MC rider to me.
Damned right.

I would hazard a statement that most new CamAm buyers were former 2-wheel owners. Many new scoot owners see scoots as a "easy in" to 2-wheel culture as they're less intimidating.
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